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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:57 pm 
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I think, out of all the characters, Strong Sad has developed his personality the most over the course of H*R.com. He began as a depressed, sad little loser, but now he's more of a smart-alecky, nerdy know-it-all. Personally, I like his new persona better.

Do you agree? Who do you think has developed?

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I agree, remember the e-mail "2 years?"
Strong Sad: I don't like food anymore!

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I agree with Strong Sad, but you have to admit Marzipan and Strong Bad are pretty close. Marzipan used to be a complete hippie, but now she's just a girlfriend. And I'm sure we all know how Strong Bad went from the villian to the New Homestar. Heck, even the KOT went over a makeover: he used to be a king, but now he's just a living food disposal.

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Yep yep, I must agree. All the characters have changed. Homestar's gotten progressively dumber (he used to just be more 'slow' and less 'total idiot'). Strong Bad went from two-dimensional, all-around bad guy to an actual character, Marzipan's become less of a Minnie Mouse girlfriend for Homestar and more her own personality... the site's changed, and for the better, methinks.

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Mix Bean's and Musachan's and that's what i think. They've all changed to have better personalities.


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Ohhh I can definitly agree with that.

I LOVE the new Strong Sad. He's so adorably nerdy and he doesn't whine as much as he used to. He even talks back at Strong Bad sometimes...a big step for him! :mrgreen:

Strong Bad has also developed wonderfully over the years. From a typical villan that really served no purpose other than to bully Homestar and friends he became a well rounded character with his ups and downs

We are slowly starting to get to know Bubs more and more as the website grows. We know he is easy to get along with yet it doesn't take much for him to lose his patiance with the others.

Coach Z...hahaha....we discover more and more about this guy all the time. Yet some of the stuff we'd probably be better off not knowing about. XD!!

I think out of all the characters thoes are the main 4 characters with major character development.

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Coach Z is growing on me everyday. But I must say that Homestar actually has progressed a bit. I mean, he still does slapstickish stuff, but he is ever increasingly retortive ie he snaps back at people.

Strong Sad has progressed to the point of being EXACTLY like one of my emo friends. Kinda freaks me out...but in a good way.

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Ohhh I can definitly agree with that.

I LOVE the new Strong Sad. He's so adorably nerdy and he doesn't whine as much as he used to. He even talks back at Strong Bad sometimes...a big step for him! :mrgreen:

Strong Bad has also developed wonderfully over the years. From a typical villan that really served no purpose other than to bully Homestar and friends he became a well rounded character with his ups and downs

We are slowly starting to get to know Bubs more and more as the website grows. We know he is easy to get along with yet it doesn't take much for him to lose his patiance with the others.

Coach Z...hahaha....we discover more and more about this guy all the time. Yet some of the stuff we'd probably be better off not knowing about. XD!!

I think out of all the characters thoes are the main 4 characters with major character development.
I cannot agree with you anymoe about that. You pretty much expressed all my opinions right there.

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DEfinetly. And they have changed for the better, me thinks.


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I think the character development for H*R has been very fascinating to observe over the past few years. What I find most interesting is how some characters have changed, even completely transformed, while others have virtually not evolved since day one.

Without a doubt Strong Bad has developed more than any other character. He's become more than the singular trait of his namesake. Of course, first and foremost he's bad. His motivations for his behavior, however, have become very elaborate and specific over time. There is method behind the badness. We've also seen him cocky, brash, arrogant, triumphant, and despairing. Occasionally we're treated to insecurity, and even sensitivity. It's hard to determine if he's ever been nice--but, like Oscar the Grouch, if ever he felt a caring thought toward another he'd never admit it. Strong Bad is truly a masterpiece of characterization and perhaps is as multi-faceted as a human being.

Coach Z has also experienced a dramatic shift in character since the days of yore, but his development has been specifically more situational. In the early days he was simply an adult figure, albeit a little kooky, that dispensed advice at regular intervals. Then as he was no longer needed as a father-figure, his persona grew wilder and wilder. He is more than just a Coach--we've seen him as an alcoholic, a recording artist, quite a dancer, a stalker, completely delusional, even a would-be mother. We all have skeletons in our closet, but Coach Z has an entire mausoleum. His development can be compared to an outrageous sundae consistently piled with more and more different toppings every day. Often, similar characters eventually suffer the "jump the shark" syndrome and fail. Coach Z, however, is successful because despite his increasingly intricate, and often disturbing, background, he's as sweet and amiable as he's always been. He's consistent where it counts the most.

I acknowledge the fact that Strong Sad has been highly developed over time, however, unlike most of the characters' evolution I find that I prefer his older persona. In the beginning, Strong Sad was a depressed little man but there was a certain charm about it. He was soft-spoken, but, when given the opportunity, could talk quite an earful (his soliloquies in Yello Dello and Homestarloween are perhaps some of his oldest, yet finest, moments). While relatively simple otherwise, his misery seemed genuine. Over time, however, the motives for his 'misery' changed, thus changing his character. The whininess increased to the point where it has nearly lost its meaning, and Strong Sad can easily be classified as an individual who is miserable just for the sake of being miserable. He has the attitudes and behaviors of a punky 13 year old that work up one day, decided "Hey, I think I'm going to be Emo!" and broke his piggy bank at Hot Topic. While it's excellent that he's developed somewhat of a spine over the years and is finally defending himself, he's lost a bit of that appealing innocence that once made him my favorite character in the beginning. To his credit, though, he still manages to deliver some of the funniest one-liners in the entire cast.

Homestar's development has been somewhat more modest, but noteworthy. His character could once be described in two sentences, "Everybody loves the Homestar Runner. He is a terrific athlete". He was also a good, honest sport. Other than that he was actually very dull. This dullness was soon converted into constructive dullness of the mind, and from that foundation his development began to take off. Yes, he's dim-witted before everything else, but there is nothing dull about the extent of his loveable foolishness that we find ourselves tuning into week after week. As an interesting side-note, Homestar rarely, if ever, takes action or can be described as an 'earth shaker'. Things just happen to him, and he reacts. It would be interesting to see in the future if this aspect of his persona changes.

Marzipan is pretty much as hippy-like as she's always been. She's become more of an indoors-type in the past year or two but her interests have not strayed far from their starting point. What I find most fascinating about Marzipan is that she can be quite opinionated and views herself as extremely intelligent and 'above the rest'. Certainly, she has a better head on her shoulders than many of her associates, yet she often makes remarks just as twitty and irrational as everyone else.

The Cheat was merely created as a lackey. Sadly, a lackey he still is for the most part. At first glance many would venture to guess that he's content with his position in life. It's difficult to tell otherwise as his only dialogue is garbles and nonsense. However, we occasionally do receive VERY in-depth logs of The Cheat's beliefs, viewpoints, and feelings in the forms of his Powered-by-The-Cheat movies. This is literally among the very few times his thoughts can be clearly determined. An interesting theme in his works is his self-promotion. In life, the Cheat is simply just the lackey. Yet in his flash movies, he's the hero, the leader, the big cheese. This is more than self-worship and pride--he is definitely aware of his less-than-glamorous position in life and clearly desires to break away and become more than that. However, it cannot be accomplished easily as his identity of a lackey is all he (and everyone else) has ever known. Would breaking free destroy his entire sense of self? I often wonder if and when this issue will be addressed.

Bubs is interesting as not much has changed about his general history since his debut. His personality, though, has become more elaborate. He was simply just a clerk, nothing more, but from this occupation stemmed a motivation of greed and self-interest that propelled his development forward. Bubs, for the most part, is basically out for himself. He remains extremely agreeable and friendly, yet only to suit and support his personal needs and desires, be they monetary or not. It's interesting to note how blunt, impatient, and even cruel Bubs can be towards others when they are no longer of use to him.

Strong Mad's most significant change, in my opinion, has been every instance in which he is unlike his namesake. Yes, Strong Mad is dull, yells a lot and can be extremely destructive. But is he really mad? In truth, not much madder than anyone else can be. Strong Mad can be just as sensitive as he can be violent. His tenderness towards the Cheat, his artistic hobbies and his delight in the simple things in life give great, contrasting depth to a name that could have easily made him perpetually one-dimensional.

The King of Town's development has occurred in slow stages, yet have been very delightful. For the longest time his pursuits to satisfy his gluttony and his dissatisfaction with unpopularity carried him through the years. In the past year he's become a bit of a musician (first in Fall Float Parade and most recently in Marzipan's Answering Machine) that has breathed new life into his character. A wise time for the Brothers' Chaps to add a new dimension to their king.

Homsar hasn't changed much since he became a dispenser of word-salads, but his appearances are so infrequent that his randomness remains fresh. The Poopsmith's rare appearances similarly allow him to remain an effective character without too much depth. Were these characters to remain as they are but not evolve, they would most certainly suffer.

Pom-Pom, sadly, is probably the character who has developed the least and yet has suffered the most over the years. In the very beginning he was considered to be an extremely important character, but after the first year or so, while the rest of the cast moved on to bigger and better things, Pom-Pom remained unchanged and his usefulness to the series fell dramatically. With very few exceptions (one recent exception would probably be the sbemail pom-pom), Pom-Pom seems to be added to toons seemingly as an afterthought, out of obligation to please the fans as opposed to genuine necessity. It's not too late for Pom-Pom, but if ever he's going to catch up with the rest of the cast, he has quite a lot of work to do.

Wow, I talk too much...

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Whoa whoa WHOA! This ain't English class! Slow DOWN! :D

Seriously, though. Strong Sad, Strong Bad, and Homestar Runner are very different from their original incarnations.

EDIT: And I finally sat down and actually READ all of Windee's.... essay thingy, and trust me, it's not a waste of time. Go read it. That's an interesting view of Strong Sad, and you're right about those soliloquies, which are roffleworthy.

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Einoo T. Spork wrote:
Whoa whoa WHOA! This ain't English class! Slow DOWN! :D


Me sorry. ^_^ It was completely unconsious, I swear! It was only meant to last a paragraph or three. Once I get going I just...keep going. I only stopped because I got sleepy.

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EDIT: And I finally sat down and actually READ all of Windee's.... essay thingy, and trust me, it's not a waste of time. Go read it. That's an interesting view of Strong Sad, and you're right about those soliloquies, which are roffleworthy.


Thanks for reading! I know it's a bit daunting. ^^;; I have this terrible tendency to kill threads...

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I agree, remember the e-mail "2 years?"
Strong Sad: I don't like food anymore!

Well, I'm pretty sure that was SB's view of him, but I agree with the changes, and I like Strong Sad's change a lot.

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Dang Windee, that looks like a college thesis. You should have like, a doctorate on Homestarology.

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I find myself liking Strong Sad less and less. He's supposed to be an introverted loser! Strong Bad should be calling him "weirdo" and "spazz". Strong Bad is the reason I'm here, not the Biggest Waste of Dump.

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Wowsers. Props go to you Windee for that awesome psyco-analysis on good ol' Free Country. That pretty much sums up everything about everyone.

One or two things I will add is the interesting developments that we've been able to see in the relationships between some of the characters. I can hardly imagine Bubs without his best bud Coach Z. Those two have an intesting background that i think would be interesting to delve into at some point. Also, it's always intriguing to see people's reactions to Homsar's antics, be they tolerant or otherwise.

There's my two scents for now.

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Great jorb, Windee... I read it ALL. Yep.

While I agree that Homestar has gotten more clueless and dimwitted, I still think he's got a twist about him where he knows just a bit more than what he lets on. Such as in the SBEmail "stupid stuff." He might be an idiot, but somehow he manages to be clever... or at least, he attempts to be clever (thinking of "Fall Float Parade" and "secret recipes"). XD

Actually, this seems to be a fairly recent development. TBC might be trying to give shallow ol' Homestar a teeny bit of depth. Maybe they still felt his character was a bit dull. So they invented a "clever idiot."

That is the most ingenius thing ANYONE has come up with. Honestly. Because somehow it works.

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Windee WINS.

I agree completely~ on all of your points. It's very well done X3 This topic could probably come to a close thanks to all that XD

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Someone's bound to disagree at some point...I hope so...when the masses begin to agree with me I begin to feel more than a little afraid. ;)

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Windee, your essay SUCKS. :p Seriously, that sonds like something I'd write with an open afternoon. But you just have one problem: you forgot The Poopsmith!

Edit: Wait, no you didn't. Sorry about that. It's perfect, then.

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Windee, your essay SUCKS. :p Seriously, that sonds like something I'd write with an open afternoon. But you just have one problem: you forgot The Poopsmith!


Uh...no I didn't. ^^

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Homsar hasn't changed much since he became a dispenser of word-salads, but his appearances are so infrequent that his randomness remains fresh. The Poopsmith's rare appearances similarly allow him to remain an effective character without too much depth. Were these characters to remain as they are but not evolve, they would most certainly suffer.


I just lumped him in with Homsar. :poop:

Actually I messed up my arguement here, what I meant to say was "Were these characters to remain as they are, not evolving, but appear much more frequently, they were most certainly suffer."

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Windee wrote:
"Were these characters to remain as they are, not evolving, but appear much more frequently, they were most certainly suffer."


And what do we see the 'smith as this week? An evil underling of the municipality.

A rather interesting coincidence right there. Good call Windee!

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I love the way Strong Sad's developed. He's slowly carving his own little niche for himself.

I would like to see some development for Homsar though. I think the guy has more going for him than just what's on the surface, and perhaps if he were given a little more screen time, we would be able to find out just who he is.

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I think that Gron Sad has definately developed the most.

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Nice dissertation there, Windee. I agree with a lot of it, epecially two fo your points:

    1. The remark about how SB is like Oscar the Grouch. Oscar, being my favorite Sesame Street character of all time, was always mean on the outside but had a heard of gold on the inside. I always felt that SB was the same way. Not from any specific instances, mind you, but the overall developpment of the character since his early days suggest that he doesn't really hate anyone. The guy obviously has a soft side: who else would enjoy baking cookies and the occasional male modeling?

    2. Apologies to the Strong Sad fans (and from the looks of things, there seem to be plenty on this board), but I also agree that the earlier incarnation of Strong Sad was more appealing. I could actually root for him when he seemed more like the victim. I have no problem with emo SS (and I'd like to think --- back in my day when I listened to Morrissey, Soul Asylum, and Stone Temple Pilots --- that I was "emo" before the term was invented). But now he seems more sanctimonious and a know-it-all. Still, I do appreciate the character development, which makes logical sense from the standpoint of how a character like Strong Sad would progress emotionally.


I highly appreciate that TBC have given us characters that seem to have more than one dimension, as half the fun is guessing what each character will do next.


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Yeah, Strong Sad is better. He is funnier, so that is better.

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Yup, they have. Not much, but pretty well. Strong Bad, Homestar and Strong Sad are probably the most noticeable.

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Nice post, Windee! Yes, I actually read all that, and having written similar things in my head for all manner of characters, both Homestarian and non, I definitely appreciate your analyses. XD

I must be a minority. I like new SS better. XD

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The guy obviously has a soft side: who else would enjoy baking cookies and the occasional male modeling?


*opens mouth to say something, stops and shakes her head*

I will not make a slash joke out of that. I just ... won't.

But I agree. SB just has a bad boy image. Oh sure, he'll TELL you he's bad, but he's really just kind of a wannabe nerd who sits around on his computer all day, watches cartoons and eats junkfood. He's just ... well, basically he's every teenage boy in America XD

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El Santo wrote:
The guy obviously has a soft side: who else would enjoy baking cookies and the occasional male modeling?


*opens mouth to say something, stops and shakes her head*

I will not make a slash joke out of that. I just ... won't.


But you do slash so well! You're everyone's favorite slasher! *stares at her art admirably*

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He's just ... well, basically he's every teenage boy in America XD


You've got it! That's the ticket, right there! Accurately, an everyman. No wonder he's got so much appeal.

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