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I know for sure that it's not always used as a joke. Whether or not you want people ti literally get out, if its used as an insult, that's a bit of a problem.

I don't know what you all think, but I think that something like this



is a suitable situation for "gtfo" or "go away."

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Starcraft Maniac is definitely a spammer. He can be banned, and I'll be honest...he should be.

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I concur.

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I disagree. The goal here is to exchange ideas and maybe get someone else to see things they way you do.

A "gtfo" just makes the other person mad and does nothing.

If you think someone makes a stupid statement, explain why you think so and maybe offer a more intelligent viewpoint. If you're respectful, you might change the other poster's mind.

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What is this, the Internet, or the debaters lounge at a high school?

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I don't think the goal is to change the other poster's mind.

And I also think you just hate gay people. Now, if you changed that statement to, say...



I don't think you'd have the same feelings.

Also, it's the internet. Not a High School..



crap

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I never agreed on that

but then again I never agree with 90% of the policies of this moderation team

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Meanwhile as The Faceless Evil closes in on the hapless, sleeping, populace...
Across town in a shanty one-bedroom, an old woman feeds her parakeet.

In my opinion, this is a problem for the forum.

There needs to be some kind of standard on what the mods enforce and what they don't. Right now it feels like they do whatever they want and don't talk to each other.

I guess that's the natural outcome of JoeyDay abandoning the forum, though. Communication among mods is essential, but at the end of the day, someone needs to step in and say, "This is my forum, and this is how it's going to be."

We're not getting that.

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So it's the moderating team's fault?
I think not. Just because they don't agree on every issue doesn't mean it's their fault.
Then you go on to say that the admins are stepping in to say "Quit saying 'gtfo' or we'll ban all of you."?
I'm sorry but that's.... yeesh.

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You're the only one who had a problem with it

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You crave discipline/structure, don't you? Why don't you just join the army or something?

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Meanwhile as The Faceless Evil closes in on the hapless, sleeping, populace...
Across town in a shanty one-bedroom, an old woman feeds her parakeet.

Sometimes some of the mods try to do this but it's never met with a positive reaction.

What I see happen a lot is one or two users complain and think we need to be stricter, and some of the team feels it is equivalent to a mandate from the entire forum to crack down on every little rule, when in actuality very few users feel that way and agree.


I'm a loose cannon babe

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Spam is one of the harder rules to enforce and define. What may be spam in one post could be completely relevant in another. It's usually defined as anything that is not related to the topic at hand, but strict usage of that definition makes it seem like we've got sticks up our bums.

I'll have to say that there's been spam here in this thread. Saying things like "GTFO" to something you disagree is not only spam, but uncalled for (depends on the person, but even then it's limited.) Some of the off subject talk here is spam, and I have let it slide.

Since it's difficult to define strictly, we have to play it by ear. It's a case by case trial. We as mods and admins though need to not only focus on the obvious spammers that we have our negative feelings about, but to people we are friendly with. I'll admit that I've had my share of spam here, but truthfully, so has everyone else. No-one's perfect.

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If you want us to be fascist mods, we will be, but trust me, you won't like it.

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Not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is the forum needs ONE fascist. One person who determines how the forum should be run, after receiving input from mods.

Which is how the place was initially set up, if I understand correctly.

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Meanwhile as The Faceless Evil closes in on the hapless, sleeping, populace...
Across town in a shanty one-bedroom, an old woman feeds her parakeet.

The problem for you is that your name is in green.

The two (active) members of the forum with their names in red are the ones in charge.





As far as I'm concerned, that's the end of that.

Some of you seem to favor anarchy over structure. In that case, I invite you to join the HRWFWF, which is a bastion of "do whatever you want." It's a haven for those who dislike rules and moderation.

Rusty can provide you with further information.

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Yes, but even though there are no rules, there are no problems. No drama, no flaming. It's a great place to go when you get tired of the structure.

He's not the only one. Attention All Forumers: Raise your hand if you are or have been an active member of Serious Inc.

*Raises Hand*

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*hand*



Really? Wasn't like that when I was there. Dooce's rant makes me laugh.

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This is MY forum, and THIS is how its going to be:

All questions and comments must be submitted to the Administrative staff.

Spam is now defined as this: Blatant advertising placed anywhere other than the shameless plugs thread, creating the same topic over and over again/ posting the same thing over and over simultaneously, making more than 1 post in R&P that does not contribute, refute, or encourage the topic at hand,(quoting something and telling them to STFU or GTFO is considered spam, and will be replaced with This). Anything

This is a forum meant for all people who enjoy Homestar Runner, and some of those that do may be children, so use any and all curses not said in the cartoon sparingly, preferably none at all. We can't monitor and watch every word you say, but if you curse anything worse than what is already covered by the Wordfilters, your entire post will be replaced with the link posted above.

Finally: Trolls can be Counter-trolled in an appropriate manner. The appropriate manner is defined as everything I have written thus far.

On a final note, Be mature, be kind, don't be an idiot, and no Bigotry, (As defined in the sticky in R&P).Toobad it would never happen.

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Meanwhile as The Faceless Evil closes in on the hapless, sleeping, populace...
Across town in a shanty one-bedroom, an old woman feeds her parakeet.

In extending an invitation to join the Moderation Team, there was an innate agreement that the ones in charge would take my suggestions and opinions into heavy consideration, which, for all intents and purposes, has never happened.

I base my policies on what the majority of the populace feels is right. If the people demand less strict enforcement of rules, why not give it to them? This is their forum - a forum of the people by the people. And as those running it, we should have policies that make it an enjoyable place for the majority of people. We're never going to please everyone. It's a fact. The mutual love of Summer of 05 is never coming back. People have severely different opinions and policies. The best we can do is choose policies and enforce rules that make it a fun place to be for the majority. Saying "you all can pack up and leave" is not a viable argument if a great number of people (not just people, people who have been here a LONG time and should thus have some respect) want a change in rule enforcement policy. I figured this new policy was confirmed for all of us when "Ladies and Gentlemen" occurred. I figured this was now going to be a democratically run forum with the leaders still enforcing rules, but rules that allow for a pleasing environment for the majority. But some of these responses, both public AND on the Moderator Forum, worry me.

If the majority of people here wanted to completely ban "GTFO" then hey, my hands would be tied. But as seen here, and also as seen in their response to the previous word censor on the acronym, they don't want it. So we shouldn't ban it just because a vocal minority doesn't want it.

Not to say I think we should completely abandon rules and structure with the way things are run here. The moderation team does still need to exist and we do still need to enforce the rules the way we see fit (spam is tough and needs discussion, preferably with the help of the users). I'm just suggesting that there should be more open discussion of rules with the general populace, and rules that are deemed "unfair" "bad" or whatever by the people should not be enforced.


There are still moderators and admins there. Ramrod is a moderator, and I am head admin (with Mr Sparkle) for some reason, despite the fact that it is not innately "my forum" (it's Jello's). It's not total anarchy. Rules are very lax but there ARE still some (no blatant pornography or shock images, for example).

Rusty doesn't even go there a lot.

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I haven't been to SI in a long, long time (By the way, how are things there?).

Lahi, I know you love to make me the bad guy, for whatever reason, but it'd be cool if you stopped.

Also, Ace is a cool guy

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Rusty, I mentioned you as a good source of information about the HRWFWF because during my short stay there, you were a high-profile poster who is also here right now. The other posters I remembered were Mr. Sparkle and Jello. I apologize if I make you feel persecuted.

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I'm not even going to edit this to make it shorter. You all should read it at least twice.

I love Ace a lot.

So are Ace, Ninti, etc.



He is pretty dreamy.

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I may sound like a jerk in this post. If I do, I apologize, I'm not trying to blame anyone for anything or start any fights. This just needs to be said.


We can't cater only to active users that are currently here. We need to look forward to the future. One could easily argue that the only reason people who like GTFO, for example, are the majority, is simply because of that fact.

That's pretty convoluted, so let me give you an example. Take Ramrod. Look at some of his old posts when he was a new user. How many of you could tell me that you wouldn't have told him to GTFO?

Yet now, he's one of the best users we have. But if enough people had told that young Ramrod to GTFO, however, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't still here.

Or if Ramrod doesn't work for you, try someone else. Almost everyone here has said at some point that they're ashamed of their old posts. Fact is, almost all of us were immature when we first joined here. But, as you can see, people grow. If we had all been told to GTFO when we were knew, do you really think our old selves would have stayed here to become who we are now?

I don't know how many new, potentially awesome users we have driven off by mistreating them in this way, but I have a feeling that if we found out the number, we'd all be surprised. A big reason as to why the people Ace is talking about are the majority is because they've, intentionally or not, driven out any users who might disagree.

As a mod, I feel it's my duty to make this place a friendly environment for everyone. And everyone isn't just the active users at this point in time. Future users are still users, and we need to make this forum a forum for them, too.

Again, I don't mean to offend anyone with this. I know you guys aren't intentionally trying to hurt people when you say the stuff I'm advocating against (at least, for the most part; I can't speak for everyone). I just fear that we might be when we do it. And that's a big problem.

I don't think I can think of any user that was driven off because one person told them to GTFO.

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