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I would say that "freaking eh" covers the filter for the "F"-word a lot better than "pfargtl".

Since I have mentioned this to several people in the past, I may as well put it in this thread since it's the most closely related:

I think that there should actually be multiple levels of the word filter that cover the censored words differently. I was thinking that there could possibly be a "Light" one that only censored the "most profane/racial" words (or even none at all), a "Heavy" one that censored most words (excluding maybe "damn", "hell", and several other words that won't make some peoples' eyes bleed), and one that just filtered certain words--not even profane words--with certain, sometimes humorous things (like on SI, I guess).

Now, this wouldn't mean that people should be talking like sailors (or whatever) all the time, but certain topics or sections could probably use a bit of slack with the word filters (one that comes off the top of my head is Arts and Crafts, since the censoring of certain words can really affect the mood of some things in there, like SOUL ).

I have never really understood why there are word filters in the first place, especially if users are going to use the words anyway (and if a mod will occasionally censor non-filtered words, like "hell" or "damn"). Then again, I'm a person who thinks that words are just words, and shouldn't really have too much meaning behind them, but whatever.

I know that it's possible to set up a filter system like this, since Porple did it on his own Forums years ago (though it only had two options: "censor" and "don't censor"). Even if it is possible though, this is merely a suggestion, so you all don't have to roll with it if you all don't want to.

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And I would say it doesn't matter because, for the dozenth time, you're not supposed to say the F word here anyway. That goes whether or not we have a filter. How come nobody is addressing this point?

- Kef

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Because that point isn't the issue being discussed?

Honestly, your view would be dependent on everyone actually following your meaningless swearzban. Obviously, the existence of a filter is justification enough that there will be occasional violations. Are you really so blind to expect everyone to follow such a pointless rule all the time?

It doesn't matter whether the rule is pointless or not. I think it's a stupid rule, too, but that doesn't change anything. It's a rule, so we have to follow it and the modmins have to uphold it.

Look. I'm saying that if you don't break the rules, there is no problem. So any problem that the swear filter causes for you is brought upon yourself. It should not matter whether the F word says "freaking eh", "pfargtl", "fhqwhgads", or "Simon Zeno is a cute li'l pink fluffy bunny". The filter is there because enforcing all cases of Rule 6 by hand has proven impractical. It is not there to let the poster get away with swearing.

Also, what's pointless about it? If you rely on the filter being there, you'll end up letting things slip through. (EDIT: Case in point: mere minutes after posting this, I found a Rule 6 violation.) Really, even with the filter, COLA and Rusty have broken Rule 6 enough times that I barely understand why they're not banned. Sometimes they're cool, but sometimes they need a really hard kick in the pants.

Trust me, I hate the filter as much as the next guy. We shouldn't need it in the first place. And that means you guys shouldn't be saying stuff that needs to be filtered. So you're not going to convince me that I should give a crap as to what the swear filter says.

- Kef

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That's what this topic is about, though...

I really don't see why any current user on this Forum should be banned for violating Rule 6. Sure, it's just as much of a rule as any other, but nobody violates it enough here to make it so somebody couldn't brush off the occurrence of it. It's also good to let out steam sometimes, especially with the average age for users here being higher than it once was, meaning that we've probably heard and used the words multiple times in the past.

In fact, I could probably see Rule 6 being modified later down the line to mention the slack that the admins and mods are providing for the offenses of this rule. Heck, StrongRad was just talking about making a rotating word filter on the previous page of this thread for these offensive words.

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What's the point of filters if there's something wrong with using the words that they are covering

Like, I don't see the problem with violating rule 6 if it's filtered. What's the problem?

1. nobody sees the bad word

2. The one who used the bad word can still feel like they used the bad word, thus not having to worry about checking themselves.

The only, ONLY bad thing I can think of, is the offending user may feel that they can use the bad words without self-check. But that doesn't seem remotely bad to me, unless

1. You intend on taking away the filters anytime soon

or

2. You're trying to teach us how bad cussing is

And I don't intend on taking any life lessons from an internet forum anytime soon.

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What's the point of metal detectors if there's something wrong with bringing a gun into an airport? In case someone does it anyways...

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Not a great analogy.

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He was speaking sarcastically from Kef's position

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No, you need to read the rest of my post.

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Pfargtl sucks. As I've said in the Mod Board, it should be changed to Funk or Freak.

Kef, your argument "why should we change it we shouldn't have to" doesn't make a lot of sense because YOU were the one who suggested changing it from freaking eh in the first place.


That's a bad analogy and you should feel bad.

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Don't worry, I do. I'm sorry about how badly I let the whole forum down. It was an epic fail, and I'm sorry I've betrayed the trust of all the users, fellow modmins, and most importantly, Tom. I'm just going to take it like a man, because if I delete it, it'll be an abuse of mod power, like when someone gets an unnecessary and unfair pardon from a political leader just because he/she is famous, rich, or a supporter of his/her political agenda.

Wait, pfargtl, I just did it again.

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I like Funk. I really do.

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This:



You're also one of the worst offenders for letting things slip through, Rusty.



Yes, I did, but I don't think I'm being self-contradictory here. If I had my way I would suggest taking the filter off and simply kicking out people who can't follow the rules. But I can't do that, so I suggested changing it instead, and if people don't like the change, that's their own problem, because you're not supposed to rely on it. No contradictions there.

For the record, Didymus wanted the swear filter to make the poster look absolutely ridiculous whenever a filtered word was used.

- Kef

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Quite frankly, it shouldn't matter what the word filters to. You shouldn't be using that word to begin with. End of story.

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Since when do you people tell me how to live my life?



You're going to have to define "slip through", because I don't get it.



Again, I don't really see the point in trying to teach us a lesson and belittle anybody for using a curse word.

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You spend your entire life on an internet forum?

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No, I don't. But

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He means on the forum.

Oh.

Well, then, what's wrong with saying it if it's covered by the filter? I said this a while ago, as well.

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I never got a definition of "letting things slip through"

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Words that aren't censored but still against the rules, like hell. If you get into the mindset that you can type whatever you want and it'll be fixed, you'll still be breaking the rules.

Ehhh....this could possibly just be my disbelief at the fact that we have words that are considered taboo for...oh wait, for no real reason, other than it's a pre-established belief that they are "bad"

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I agree. I think the whole idea of swears is stupid - they're friggin' words, nothing more, and if it were up to me Rule 6 (or at least most of it) wouldn't exist. But it's not my decision. It's a rule, so we need to abide by it and the mods need to do what they can to best enforce it.

But that's not really the point, anyways. Fact is, I don't think there's enough of an argument for us to change it back to freaking eh. If pfargtl is a problem, then just don't rely on the swear filter - if nothing else, the ridding of such a reliance will lessen peoples' accidental use of those pesky minor swears (however often or however rare), and that's good for all of us (we don't have to get warnings and the modmins don't have to give them)

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That really doesn't make any sense at all.


I don't like the change. I don't rely on the word filter at all, but it annoys me when I see "pfargtl" in text. I like Homestar as much as the next guy, but there's a point when it's overkill.


They don't look ridiculous, they look annoying. And Didymus doesn't even come here anymore.


Then change it. StrongRad changed the filter on one person's suggestion, you should be allowed to do the same.

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I can't believe almost no one noticed this.

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Example: the H word. Not filtered because there are "legitimate" uses of it (especially in R&P). The fact that it isn't filtered somehow "mysteriously" doesn't stop people from using it this way. Why not? Hmm, could it be because they're used to having the filter baby them?

(EDIT: I see that this was already pointed out, using even the same example. But it's still not the only case in which things slip through.)



Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this translate to "I don't like the rule, so I'm not going to follow it"?

- Kef

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