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You're missing the point, STu. Homerun is saying that he objects to the generalization, the lumping of all SI members into a single category like that. And to some degree, I have to agree.

And yes, you are correct in saying that there are some jerks on SI. I won't deny that. But let's try not to be too quick to judge the entire SI based on them.

The real problems between the HRWF and SI, as Duece and I have already pointed out, seems to be the difference in culture between the two places. We have expectations of them which they don't quite understand, and they have expectations of us that we don't quite understand.

If we're going to get along, then we need to recognize that. While a good bit of the tension can be attributed to differences in culture, there is still a real need on our part to communicate what is expected, as well as a need on their part to understand those expectations.
Thank you, Dids. This is what I've been trying to say.

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I think it's sort of funny that your points seem to be in conflict with one another, but I think I get what you're saying.


I see how my points seem to be in conflict, but what I'm saying in my second point is that I have an opinion. If that opinion is unheeded, that's fine.

I think you can make me a third on the "sign the edits" campaign.

I don't think a modmin editing a post and not acknowledging the edit is some grave injustice, I just think it'd make keeping track of things a little easier.

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Get him to change the logo to my sexy one when you see him. :p


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I don't think a modmin editing a post and not acknowledging the edit is some grave injustice, I just think it'd make keeping track of things a little easier.

The way I see it, when a Mod edits a post, he does so on behalf of the Modmin team anyway. In fact, when I edited that one post of Cola's that he got so upset about, I did so after Tiger requested it. So it wasn't as if I was acting on my own initiative, or independently of the rest of the team. What you guys see is someone editing the post; what you typically don't see is us Mods and Admins talking about what should and should not be done beforehand.

No, I do not feel that asking a Mod or Admin to identify their work is unreasonable. But in some cases, it does give the impression that such things are personal. Right now, I moderate OSD, GTKY, and A&C, some of the heavier boards on the lower half of the forum. As a result, it can look like a lot of my work is just my own personal preferences (in fact, I have at times been blamed for edits made in sections I don't even moderate - try to figure that one out!). But I assure you, I typically seek the opinions of me fellow Admins and Mods about something before I act.

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The good thing about signed edits, though, is that the user who's post was edited will know who to ask if they have a question pertaining to the change, and I think it's pretty important for users to have that opportunity - if they don't know why it was edited, they won't know what not to do in the future. That's enough to make me for them.


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The good thing about signed edits, though, is that the user who's post was edited will know who to ask if they have a question pertaining to the change, and I think it's pretty important for users to have that opportunity - if they don't know why it was edited, they won't know what not to do in the future. That's enough to make me for them.


I totally agree

Thats pretty much what I was about to say.

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The good thing about signed edits, though, is that the user who's post was edited will know who to ask if they have a question pertaining to the change, and I think it's pretty important for users to have that opportunity - if they don't know why it was edited, they won't know what not to do in the future. That's enough to make me for them.

Exactly.

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In short. You all have different rules. Congratulations. Follow your rules there, follow ours here. We will do the same.

Problem solved.
Thread finished.

So...

After all this, absolutely nothing is changing?

Beautiful.

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No no no, I think that's just what Sree wants to happen with the SI issues.

What we're doing now is waiting on the modmins and admin supremes to come to a decision, I believe. I thought Ramrod mentioned that most of what has been said here is being faced with approval from them, and that stuff should start happening in a day or two. We'll see what happens then.

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Since this thread is still open I doubt that nothing will come out if this (unless the other admins don't give us this stuff)

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What we're doing now is waiting on the modmins and admin supremes to come to a decision, I believe. I thought Ramrod mentioned that most of what has been said here is being faced with approval from them, and that stuff should start happening in a day or two. We'll see what happens then.

Yeah, we're discussing stuff about the new "user record" board so we can get that up and running, as well as finalizing the new mod positions (It's a little more confusing than you'd think)


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Should we also need to take in account how much time between offenses? Because, if someone gets banned because they had warnings from like, 6 months ago because of crap they used to do, I don't think that that would be vera fair.

Why not? A warning is a warning.
Why should one user get away with semi-serious violations just because they were spaced far apart while someone gets canned for lesser violations that happened closer together?

Perhaps, but why should a user who's been here and been on their best behavior for a long time (like a year) still be charged for, say, having too large of a sig on their first day before they know how exactly everything works here?

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Little things like that, though, probably wouldn't be counted. Like I said before, if a really good user accidentally let a minor swear slip once, I probably wouldn't even record it. So if a new suer accidentally breaks one rule and stays a good user afterwards, we probably wouldn't count that either. I think we're just going to have to do it as a case-by-case thing.


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Should we also need to take in account how much time between offenses? Because, if someone gets banned because they had warnings from like, 6 months ago because of crap they used to do, I don't think that that would be vera fair.

Why not? A warning is a warning.
Why should one user get away with semi-serious violations just because they were spaced far apart while someone gets canned for lesser violations that happened closer together?

Perhaps, but why should a user who's been here and been on their best behavior for a long time (like a year) still be charged for, say, having too large of a sig on their first day before they know how exactly everything works here?

I don't usually hold the noob mistakes against someone (like having a sig that's too big) if they "my bad" and fix it when we point it out.

A repeat of the mistake is a different story.

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Little thigns like that, though, probably wouldn't be counted. Like I said before, if a really good user accidentally let a minor swear slip once, I probably wouldn't even record it. So if a new suer accidcentally breaks one rule and stays a good user afterwards, we probably wouldn't count that either. I think we're just going to have to do it as a case-by-case thing.
Isn't the slate going to be wiped clean, so we all start off on this new system fresh?

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Little thigns like that, though, probably wouldn't be counted. Like I said before, if a really good user accidentally let a minor swear slip once, I probably wouldn't even record it. So if a new suer accidcentally breaks one rule and stays a good user afterwards, we probably wouldn't count that either. I think we're just going to have to do it as a case-by-case thing.
Isn't the slate going to be wiped clean, so we all start off on this new system fresh?


Let's see if you can name enough reasons why that would be a bad idea.

Hint: this kind of posting is one of them ;)

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Little thigns like that, though, probably wouldn't be counted. Like I said before, if a really good user accidentally let a minor swear slip once, I probably wouldn't even record it. So if a new suer accidcentally breaks one rule and stays a good user afterwards, we probably wouldn't count that either. I think we're just going to have to do it as a case-by-case thing.
Isn't the slate going to be wiped clean, so we all start off on this new system fresh?


Let's see if you can name enough reasons why that would be a bad idea.

Hint: this kind of posting is one of them ;)
But seriously, what is with that thread? Its like RT except...not...

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Little thigns like that, though, probably wouldn't be counted. Like I said before, if a really good user accidentally let a minor swear slip once, I probably wouldn't even record it. So if a new suer accidcentally breaks one rule and stays a good user afterwards, we probably wouldn't count that either. I think we're just going to have to do it as a case-by-case thing.
Isn't the slate going to be wiped clean, so we all start off on this new system fresh?

It's possible that we will to an extent, but I assume bans will be remembered, since they were warranted - even though we don't have exact evidence with which the bans were backed up, we know there was usually enough to justify them. So, sorry, I don't think you're off the hook.

EDIT: It's talking about differences in culture between different regions. Not sure why the thread name changed.


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Little thigns like that, though, probably wouldn't be counted. Like I said before, if a really good user accidentally let a minor swear slip once, I probably wouldn't even record it. So if a new suer accidcentally breaks one rule and stays a good user afterwards, we probably wouldn't count that either. I think we're just going to have to do it as a case-by-case thing.
Isn't the slate going to be wiped clean, so we all start off on this new system fresh?

It's possible that we will to an extent, but I assume bans will be remembered, since they were warranted - even though we don't have exact evidence with which the bans were backed up, we know there was usually enough to justify them. So, sorry, I don't think you're off the hook.
Off the hook from what?

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Any bans you've gotten previously (I assume that was at least a motive as to why you asked (multiple times, might I add ;) ))


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Any bans you've gotten previously (I assume that was at least a motive as to why you asked (multiple times, might I add ;) ))
It was only once, and the most recent was pardoned.

But still. Whatever.

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No matter what we do, if you have prior offenses they will be taken into consideration. But to the other issue about the nature of prior offenses.... we aren't robots. The type of offense (and the intent) will go a long way into deciding a user's future with the forum...

i.e. a new user creates a big sig, and gets a warning. They fix it and 2 years later they go and post something spamy (say a facepalm post), we won't be as harsh as if their first warning had come from posting some links to pron.

Simply put, we are humans. We can make rational judgements.

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No matter what we do, if you have prior offenses they will be taken into consideration. But to the other issue about the nature of prior offenses.... we aren't robots. The type of offense (and the intent) will go a long way into deciding a user's future with the forum...

i.e. a new user creates a big sig, and gets a warning. They fix it and 2 years later they go and post something spamy (say a facepalm post), we won't be as harsh as if their first warning had come from posting some links to pron.

Simply put, we are humans. We can make rational judgements.
Its Official: Times are a changing.

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Not sure what you mean by that exactly, but if it's what I think you mean, yes, some things are changing, but that doesn't mean everything that's old is going away. A lot of the old things we have are important. Sure, we may be communicating more and creating a fairer leadership system, but everything that is old still stands. We're really not getting rid of anything, just adding onto it.


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If you mean what I think what you mean, Stu (like Ju Ju), awesome.

Ju Ju wrote:
The good thing about signed edits, though, is that the user who's post was edited will know who to ask if they have a question pertaining to the change, and I think it's pretty important for users to have that opportunity - if they don't know why it was edited, they won't know what not to do in the future. That's enough to make me for them.


Make this man an admin, please.


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I agree.

Good to see things are coming from this.

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I thought that the system automatically signed edits (this post last edited by <username> time).
It seems to have stopped doing that.

I've looked around in the admin options, but for the life of me, I have no clue how to enable it.

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I thought that the system automatically signed edits (this post last edited by <username> time).
It seems to have stopped doing that.

I've looked around in the admin options, but for the life of me, I have no clue how to enable it.
I think the "This post last edited by..." only works if the individual edits it, not the modmins. It's been like that since I can remember.

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I thought that the system automatically signed edits (this post last edited by <username> time).
It seems to have stopped doing that.

I've looked around in the admin options, but for the life of me, I have no clue how to enable it.

I thought that it did that to. But it looks like it only shows up when someone edits their own post. If it could be fixed so that it shows up regardless of who edited it, that would be great. Then it would make tracking the edits that much easier.

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Yeah, because it's really hard to just sign your edits with your name. Come on, guys.

It would actually make it harder, because it only says who edited it last. So if there are multiple edits, no one would know who did it.

EDIT: Maybe "Mods, sign your edits" could go into the mod guidelines we discussed.


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Yeah, because it's really hard to just sign your edits with your name. Come on, guys.

Was there really a need for this? We were just discussing possibilities, Rusty.

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