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Can we please rewrite Rule 1 to say this:


I think everyone likes this a lot more than "hey mods and admins are always right no matter what you say".

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Right now, Inverse and I are trying to establish a connection with Stu and Joey. Please give us some time to work this out.

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As I pointed out before, Cola, before you can criticize anyone else, you need to clean up your own act. I will not be instructed in my duties by someone who consistently refuses to follow rules or even listen to us.

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^ This is the attitude that needs to go. Right now, cola is being respectful. Why shouldn't you be respectful to him?

Cola has consistently shown himself unwilling to listen to me (or to anyone else for that matter). Why should I listen to him?

This is something that you yourself have a problem understanding, Rusty. You can't go around disrespecting us, insulting us, and baiting us into arguments, then turn around and expect us to respect your opinion. If you're not willing to work with us for your part, then it is entirely unreasonable to expect us to work with you.

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Words of a model user, right?

RIGHT NOW, COLA is being respectful. If you'll notice, we're being respectful of him.

Saying "watch yourself" and "follow the rules" is not being disrespectful.
If we were the power-hounding overlords some claim us to be, do you really think this thread would be here?

Didymus is right about the "respect" thing. It's a two way street. You can't always be ignoring requests to calm down and "knock it off" then whine when you're not "respected". If you'll notice, there are users that cut up and have fun, but "my bad" when we point out something they've done that's out of line. They don't got all Alexander when something happens they don't like. They might say "hey, that kind of stinks. Why don't we allow ...?" but they don't go all "YOU'RE NOT A DICTATOR! YOU HAVE NO POWER! YOU ARE ON AN EGO TRIP!".

Seriously, of those two responses, which would you be more willing to listen to?

I'm just sayin'.

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Yeah so Rusty, COLA, personally, I've been giving you guys extreme benefit of the doubt because I see where the mods could do better and how that could be contributing to confusion about expectations. I think this is probably ramrod's reasoning, too. But once this warning thing is in place and the mods reorganized, there will be complete enforcement of the rules. However the mods are doing then, it won't be possible to do any better. If spirals of disrespect and big scenes happen even then, this place definitely isn't right for you.

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I don't really feel like reading over the past 7 pages right now; maybe later. However, I do think that rule 1 is a little bit too...overbearing? I think mods and admins should always have the final decision, and we need to respect them because they are the authorities over us. I do think we should have a little bit of say in things though.

I do not see why we need a representative of Serious Inc. or whatever being a moderator. Personally, I never really liked the people over there; no offense or anything, but ya'll just don't seem like you really care about the leaders over you, or respecting them. You all are always the ones who are causing trouble and making drama. Not all of you are bad, but I don't know why we should have some of you as moderators. I personally like how things are run right now, and I think if Stu and some of the other admins were to come back and be more active, this place would be even better. Thanks to all the mods and admins who are running this place and making it a good place to be in.

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This is good, I like it.

I know it's kindof late, but about Inverse's guidlines, the only one's I don't like are 1-2 and 3, the first because, as is later stated, playful ribbing is fine, so if a mod reminds you of his status AS A JOKE (you know, "Har har I'm a mod") it's fine. What isn't fine is HEY YOU I'M A MOD FEAR ME PEASENT!!!! This doesn't have to be changed, it just seems like it puts too much seriousness into it.
I don't like 3 because it seems to set the mods up for failure. Saying I'll assume your reasonable until you prove me wrong is all good, but then saying you'll forget about it after the fact is just asking for trouble. Kindof like this thing with Rusty and Cola (sorry guys, the example presented itself).

And once again: WE DON'T NEED MORE MODS. All we need are admins with powers like Stu's.

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Ace and BTG have both been considered for a long time, regardless of their Serious, Inc. involvement. The fact that they'll be able to talk to us more directly about legitimate concerns users we usually don't talk to might have is an added benefit.


This is the big thing, and I wish it had been said earlier. We're doing our best to help make a compromise with you guys not because we deeply want you to stay here, but because we feel we could use some change, too. After this is done, if you continue to act the way you have in the past, you'll continue to be warned and, eventually, banned - the bad things you've done before are still going to be bad, so you cannot continue to do them. The new policies we're trying to implement are not going to do anything for you guys if we don't see some improvement in your behavior as well. If you think you can do that, awesome, but if after this you continue to break rules there's nothing we can do. Regardless of the changes we make here, this place is never going to be what you want it to be, so if you want to stay, you're going to need to meet us halfway. Just keep that in mind.


I don't think it should be in our guidelines because it's more of a thing one would put in their personal guide for modding, not a mandatory set of modmin rules. But it is a good personal rule for leadership like this. Your opinion of a user should not change based on what they've done - a consequence for a rule violation would of course be chosen based on how many warnings a user has received previously, but you should not consider an act one user has committed to be a rule violation while you wouldn't consider the same act committed by a different user to be one, simply because the first user has given you trouble before (if that makes any sense)

Well, we've lost a few mods and we'll gain a few. It'll turn out about even in the end. Rammy came up with this idea last night and I passed it on to Joey in an email: At first, since there's so many mods, there'd be two groups each assigned half the forum. Once enough mods fall away over time, the groups would be merged into one global mod group.

In that same email I asked him to consider raising someone to Stu's level.

Also, you're right about most of those things you said about the guidelines. About the joking: personally, it grates on me when mods joke about their powers, but that's just me. That definitely shouldn't go into any mod guidelines for everyone.

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I deeply resent the fact that you think I (or BTG) are being considered solely on the fact that I would be a "representative of Serious Inc". I would sincerely hope you people know me better than that and would suggest me because I am a model user.


I could attempt to explain why this statement has been wrong for quite a while now, but I have done so many, many times in the past. Clearly you just haven't been paying attention.

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Hmm...no more Carbon Monoxide or Thanksgiving breaks from the forum ever again...

So Ju Ju filled me in on what was happening, and now that I've read the entire thread, I guess I can throw in two semi-late pennies.


As established by numerous users, rule one could be up for a change to seem a bit less monarchic, though I'll leave the exact revised definition up to others to do.

A thread pertaining to user's warning levels would be great, and it seems like the best way to do it on our older-phpBB forum (I believe that somebody mentioned earlier that there was an ability to do it in phpBB 3, but I am not entirely sure since I haven't paid attention to that stuff for over a year). When I used to run a website with Jello, we did have a topic that stated which users were banned and which users had warnings, and despite the tiny size of the website, it seemed to work quite well.

Note that I haven't tallied the active users on this forum for awhile, but while more mods/admins would work, how many regular users would be left after everything is said and done? Of course, my mind could be underwhelmed at the perspective of the place for now, so skip this question if I'm just being naive.

It's been suggested for awhile, and it finally appears to be growing some legs, but the ability for mods to moderate every forum could keep down some spam a bit more. I don't really enjoy the previously-used excuse of "The mods will have too much work ahead of them if they moderated all of the forums," as the mods would simply have the option of moderating certain boards over others. Also mentioned earlier, global moderators could work out.

A code of admins/mods could work out, somewhat like a little oath to swear to before assuming authority. This would more-than-likely cut down on any moderation issues.

A system of punishments that get worse over time could work out. Say, after a few warnings, a person could be banned for a day or three. Then, if they continue to raise eyebrows, they could be banned for a week. Then two weeks. A month. A year. A decade. A century! A MILLENNIUM!FOR-EVAR!!!!1!



That's all that I can think of off the top of my head; I'ma get some Cocoa Puffs.

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Okay, first of all, Ace and BTG have been respected users here long before SI even existed.

And about the whole "SI is causing drama" thing...yeah, there are so many reasons why that's wrong. Just because the HRWF has a few furry members, I don't assume they're a community of furries, right?

Also, another admin would be nice, since the current ones barely post anymore and, to be honest, were probably only chosen because they contributed to the Wiki a lot.

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Having another admin would be cool, but I'd like to see two more Admins with equal powers more than having three admins with less powers than the others.

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Ya, being able to track offenses would mean that people would get those three strikes faster, so the bans should be shorter to start with because they might be given out more often. Shorter, cool-off type bans given more frequently would send more messages about where the limits are without exiling people for too long. Of course, yeah, if those bans keep adding up, there comes a time when they should be permanent. But we'll make some precedent for that when we get there.

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This is why you bother me.

There's no reason why we can't have both, as long as Stu and Joey agree to give Ram and Rad more power.

I think all admins should have equal power instead of being "Admin-Lite" or "Moderator Special" though, so if we do promote somebody, they should have the same powers as the others (so long as we get Sree and Rad for Admin Regular.)

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oh my gosh IDC is browsing this board, run for the hills!

I am in favor of shorter ban periods. In some cases, I think what's really needed isn't so much a removal from the forum, as a time for cooling off, and maybe to serve as a milder punishment. But if they are shorter, I would also expect that they would be issued more often, and the longer bans reserved for those users who seem to consistently have problems.

Another related issue would be the use of fake accounts. Some users have them solely for the purpose of bypassing their bans. In cases where it is known to be a banned user's fake account, we'd have no choice but to shut it down.

EDIT: Thanks, Duece.

But rest assured, Stupendous, our selection of Moderators is not to represent that other forum. That has no bearing here. We will select them based on whether we think their input on this forum will be helpful.

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Odd...

Sorry, I have a fear of KBers, just because most give me the feeling that they don't like us.

And that's another thing I don't understand. What is with all this distrust between the Wiki and the Forum? I'm afraid I don't really understand that much at all.

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I believe Ace has told stories of going to the wiki IRC and getting nothing but KBers complaining about us, etc. I dunno, I've just heard stories of KB users having a lot of anti-forum feelings.

Truthfully, there is no "admin lite" per se. Rammy and I are more like "the new guys", so we're not taking full power more than we're not allowed to.

To demonstrate this, I have banned Stu and JoeyDay.

Not really, but still.

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If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

I'm not sure how you expect us to feel when you post things like "run for the hills!" just because I'm reading a thread. Distrust just begets more distrust, and if it's all based on nothing (read your post again and note just how much speculation and hearsay there is), then there's no point to it. In other words, the only way to break the cycle is to just let it go, so let it go. I certainly don't bite (at least those who don't bite the wikis/forum first), and am usually a pretty okay and rea-son-able guy.

This is what we base punishments off of.



Also, Ace and BTG for mods would be perfect.

Infact, I endorse it! And besides, BTG deserves it.

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I've always found that strange, because I've only ever heard KBers complaining about the fanstuff, never the forum, and I've seen a lot of complaints about the fanstuff.

So I've come to the conclusion that every part of the site hates every other part, except for the fanstuff that just gets on with not making any fanstuff.

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I could list a few admins/mods that have said otherwise, but I won't. :D