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Author:  Didymus [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:28 am ]
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Chekt wrote:
From what I've heard, this place used to me WAY more strict, so…thats all I'll say about that.


And I feel that there can be a common ground somewhere that we can compromise on.

You're right. There was a time when this place was much more strict. And, funny thing, people seemed to enjoy it more. Yes, we had some drama in R & P every now and then, but other than that, people were fine with the way things were.

So what happened? And why is it that now, with things less strict, is there so much more conflict?

I think there are a couple of reasons:

1. There was a period of time when suddenly there weren't any active Administrators. And the Mods had very little power to intervene, and then some of the Mods disappeared as well. Because the few of us couldn't be everywhere and do everything, some things got neglected and overlooked. We had to start letting some things slide because we really couldn't do anything directly about it.

2. As much as I hate to say it, but please do not take offense, hear me out. The existence of the HRWFWF. I'm not saying that it's the source of our problems, and I certainly don't want to sound like I'm maligning all its members. But the place does have a completely different culture - things are done differently, and expectations there are different than here. I think sometimes people get used to things being different, and then don't understand why we do things over here the way we do. I think it would help a lot if people just recognized those differences and made adjustments when necessary.

3. Alexandrama. I think there's still a lot of hurt, animosity, and suspicion on account of that whole fiasco. He was a nice guy who did annoying things. Some people saw mostly the nice part, others saw only the annoying part. Frankly, he really didn't belong here, and I never once blamed Ace for his LJ entry (Ace, you can verify that, although I did blame Jello for making it public). But I think there are some who do not realize that we were just as frustrated about that whole situation as everyone else was. Sure, I tried to help him with some of his problems as much as I could, but dad-gummit, I was just as frustrated with him most of the time myself! I'm glad both for his sake and for ours that he's moved on. But I think that the conflict is still lingering in a lot of people's minds.

And you can pretty much add to that all the Leaving drama that has been occurring since that time involving different users. Some deserved, some maybe not so deserved.

There's probably other things you can think of yourself that have contributed to the current zeitgeist. But all of this has served to foster a sense of distrust and animosity between users. This place once had a somewhat familial atmosphere, and more than anything else, I think that's what people miss.
Author:  For Reals Deals [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:31 am ]
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Deleting posts = no.

I'd like to request that my account be unlocked for 24 hours. I want to talk about everything, but i need to get some sleep.
Author:  Simon Zeno [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:41 am ]
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Didymus wrote:
zeitgeist


Stealin my word... Grumble grumble.
Author:  The Calcutta [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:24 am ]
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Didymus wrote:
3. Alexandrama. I think there's still a lot of hurt, animosity, and suspicion on account of that whole fiasco. He was a nice guy who did annoying things. Some people saw mostly the nice part, others saw only the annoying part. Frankly, he really didn't belong here, and I never once blamed Ace for his LJ entry (Ace, you can verify that, although I did blame Jello for making it public). But I think there are some who do not realize that we were just as frustrated about that whole situation as everyone else was. Sure, I tried to help him with some of his problems as much as I could, but dad-gummit, I was just as frustrated with him most of the time myself! I'm glad both for his sake and for ours that he's moved on. But I think that the conflict is still lingering in a lot of people's minds
What? Has Alec even been mentioned during this whole altercation? No, and I doubt anyone still feels all "ohh hugbox" because of it.

We got over it, just like we got over everything else.
If we're trying to place the blame as to why we all hate each other, why don't we just blame clan and Global warming?

Heck, this huge distrust of mods and Admins happened because of the fact that we were abandoned for months without them, forced to have to fend off jerks, spammers, and huge annoyances on our own.
The first time we noticed that Mods and Admins weren't doing anything that was beneficial to the community WAS when Clan joined and made a ruckus.

Noone did anything, and the sheep that did always got scolded. It was like he had a hold on us all. Noone knew how to handle it, the Admins thought that he would change for the better, and we got ticked at them for turning away at the public outcry and allowed an obvious annoyance to everyone continue.

When he was finally banned, everyone was happy but in the back of our minds, we thought "Where were you guys 6 months ago?"

Since then, everything changed. When we finally got the oldmins to listen to us, we got new admins.

We thought "Yeah, new admins, lets see if we can get at least one dude in the mod group who can help bridge the gap between forums."

And we did. We got Inverse. But at a cost, we got Ian.

People got ticked, complained, threatened to leave, and then everyone got butthurt because of an administrative decision, and then we suddenly started looking at you guys as corrupt cops.

We began to hate you all over a simple mod position given to someone who would agree with another mod on EVERYTHING, and since they were always the two that were on the most, whenever someone did something wrong, they would get a double-team of over-reactiveness and end up causing more drama and butthurt than initially needed.

You see, it wasn't just one thing that created this animosity towards Modmins, it was a series of what we saw as Injustices and Over-Reactions that caused us to begin to dislike you guys and call for change.

Sure, this whole thing finally broke out of the thin saran wrap cover that held these emotions in on friday, but I/We/Us/They saw it as the final straw. We want change, and it looks like something is about to be done about it.

But still, Sign your Edits.
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:37 am ]
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And we did. We got Inverse. But at a cost, we got Ian.

You know what? That's been part of your problem all along. You guys never gave Ian a chance. From what I've seen, all you've done is give him a hard time with everything he's tried to do since then.

And you can say it was subsequent overreactions if you like, but the fact is, you were already declaring your hate for him the moment it was made known he was selected. So frankly, if you don't like some of his overreactions, maybe you should accept some of the blame yourself, since you made it so clear so early on that you wanted him gone. Plain and simple truth: you didn't even give the poor boy a chance, and still you blame us as if it were our fault.

And as far as overreactions are concerned, what about your own? You do realize, you might still be posting under your regular name if you hadn't tried to make a whole stink about a simple and perfectly justifiable post edit? You really have no room to criticize anyone for overreaction, Cola. Maybe, just maybe, it's time you quit trying to blame people for your own problems.
Author:  The Calcutta [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:53 am ]
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Didymus wrote:
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And we did. We got Inverse. But at a cost, we got Ian.

You know what? That's been part of your problem all along. You guys never gave Ian a chance. From what I've seen, all you've done is give him a hard time with everything he's tried to do since then.

And you can say it was subsequent overreactions if you like, but the fact is, you were already declaring your hate for him the moment it was made known he was selected. So frankly, if you don't like some of his overreactions, maybe you should accept some of the blame yourself, since you made it so clear so early on that you wanted him gone. Plain and simple truth: you didn't even give the poor boy a chance, and still you blame us as if it were our fault.

And as far as overreactions are concerned, what about your own? You do realize, you might still be posting under your regular name if you hadn't tried to make a whole stink about a simple and perfectly justifiable post edit? You really have no room to criticize anyone for overreaction, Cola.
He only overreacts half as much as you do, Didds.

Right now, You're overreacting. You overreact on EVERYTHING.

"ohhh, he let a curse slip"
"CHILDREN BROWSE THIS BOARD, QUIT YOUR CUSSIN OR YOU'LL BE BANNED!!!!!!"

"Heh heh, Boobs"
SEXUAL INNUENDO, YOU'RE POISONING THESE POOR CHILDREN'S VIRGIN EARS!!!"

Its crap liek this that we're tired of! YOU OVERREACT TOO MUCH, OVER THE MOST SIMPLEST THINGS THAT COULD BE SOLVED WITH A SIMPLE "Hey guys, watch the language please ;)"

To tell you the truth, We enjoy Ian on the mod team, He's nice and cares about people. What we don't like is the fact that whatever you do, he attempts to enforce. He follows in YOUR footsteps and will attempt to do what you would do in a situation.

Thats not whta we want, because you and him agree on everything and that doesn't even give us a chance to argue our case.
If one of you were to be relived of duty, We'd feel better. But thats not gonna happen. Everyone of the mod and admin team loves you guys and you're both a valued part of the team. But we Hate you as a mod. I don't think I can explain it any better; We enjoy you as a person, but we hate you as a mod. We hate both of you as mods, because you double team us into a corner until we have our face in the mud. No matter what we do, both of you will end up scolding us and causing more Drama.

Sure, we cause our fair share of drama, but it gets intensified if its you guys that respond to it.

[size=0]In b4 ban/scold/extreme overreactivness/butthurt/hugbox[/size]

Didymus wrote:
And as far as overreactions are concerned, what about your own? You do realize, you might still be posting under your regular name if you hadn't tried to make a whole stink about a simple and perfectly justifiable post edit? You really have no room to criticize anyone for overreaction, Cola. Maybe, just maybe, it's time you quit trying to blame people for your own problems.
IT WASNT ABOUT THE POST EDIT, THE EDIT WAS JUSTIFIABLE, IT WAS THE FACT THAT YOU ALL REFUSE TO SIGN YOUR EDITS! THATS WHAT I GOT MAD ABOUT! THATS WHAT PUSHED THIS CRAP TO THE SURFACE!

And I'm only posting under this crappy name because by the time I got back, all this crap would have blown over and there would have been NO CHANGE!
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:14 am ]
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So let me get this straight: you say the edit was justified, but you were willing to argue about it for nearly a page of RT because it wasn't signed? Yeah, THAT makes a lot of sense.

And let me get this straight: you love me as a person, but hate me as a Mod. And pretty much the same with Ian. Did it ever dawn on you that maybe the problem here isn't that we're different in those roles (as people and as mods), but rather that your reactions are to the two different roles themselves? Could part of the problem be that you just don't like authority?

And Cola, by now you should know what the rules are. You should know what is and is not acceptable here. I shouldn't have to handle you with kids' gloves every single time you slip. At some point, we should reasonably expect you to behave yourself. How many times must something be explained to you before you finally get it? How many temp bans have you been given? Quite a few, if I remember. More than we typically give a user, I know that much. So here's the question for you: when is it going to sink in? When are you finally going to realize that some things are just not permitted here? When are you going to take responsibility for your own actions instead of trying to blame us?

And let's face it, Cola. If SeeThroo were still here, you and I wouldn't even be having this conversation. He would have already told you, "Don't argue with my Moderators! Now Git-Foo!" You say you want change for the better? Well, I don't see this conversation helping a whole lot right now. Seriously, you're like the guy who picks a fight with a cop, then cries, "Police Brutality!" when he doesn't win.
Author:  The Calcutta [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:47 am ]
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You know what? Funk it. Didds, I've lost all faith in this matter. I've lost all faith in this forum, and I've lost all faith in you.

This place is going to hell quickly. I guess its inevitable.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:52 pm ]
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Whoa, whoa, easy you two. This is the thing we are trying to avoid.

COLA, I don't think the forum is going to Hell. I think the deck chairs look fine the way they are.

Didy, you need to find a way to set your thermostat lower. You have always been the easiest to upset of the mods. You are one of the biggest contributors to drama on here.

Now down to business.

1. Admins and Mods:
Lose Rule 1. You guys having arbitrary power is not good. You need to learn when it's time to use you power and when not to. The stuff that happened with Mike's sig yesterday. That was more worthy of a warning than a ban. It's also wouldn't have hurt to just told Mike to take down his sig because of what was happening. I'm sure he would have understood.

2. Random Thoughts
As far as I am concerned: keep it. We need an area to get out what ever random nonsense is floating in our head. Granted that it is a source of drama, but that comes from people who lack a good sense of humor. I still get a good ROFFLE from there. Some of the stuff that the Serious Inc. guys do is pretty hilarious and, more times than what people give them credit for, done in good taste. The problem with this place is that too many people use this as a surrogate social life and take this place way too seriously. That's why we had Serious Inc., it was a great piece of social commentary and satire. It was a group of users telling us to loosen up. Granted I didn't like it at the time, but I have grown to appreciate it.

3. Steps to Improve
And of COLA's suggestions, I agree with all of them, but I would like to add one more.

The Sixth: Don't treat this place as a substitute for a social life. It is just an internet forum. It is not designed to be you entire social life, just a small part of it. We've seen what happens when someone adopts this as their social life. Alex used this place as his social life. He admitted that he had no interest in Homestar Runner, he just used this place as a way to make friends. Granted we all have done that, I sure as heck know I am guilty of that, but we can't use this place to compensate for no real life friends. You need to go and find friends. And don't give that, "I've got Asperger's," crap. When I met Ramrod, I was a Manic Depressive who thought everyone was out to get me. Trust me, nothing helps alleviate a mental problem like one good friend. So go out there are find someone. Sometimes it just takes a small conversation.
Author:  IantheGecko [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:06 pm ]
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I pretty much agree with BTG & Didy.

I know I haven't been the BEST mod ever, but this forum hasn't been the easiest to moderate. I'm just doing what I think is right, but I don't go looking for trouble. Sorry if I haven't made the best decisions, but I think some people would still pick on me if I were a regular user. That's why I'm wary of stepping down; I won't act like a mod when I'm not a mod, but some people will still give me crap. This forum is a good place at heart; it's just been weighed down by a view people.

IF BTG could do a better job than me and actually keep the drama low, THEN I would graciously step down. But you guys still need to give me a chance like Didy said. I'm doing the best I can with all that's gone on.
Author:  Inverse Tiger [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:02 pm ]
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People have already said a lot, so I'll just expand on some quotes.

In summary: There are problems with consistency of mod/admin enforcement of the rules and, stemming from that, with user expectations.

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There was a period of time when suddenly there weren't any active Administrators. And the Mods had very little power to intervene, and then some of the Mods disappeared as well. Because the few of us couldn't be everywhere and do everything, some things got neglected and overlooked. We had to start letting some things slide because we really couldn't do anything directly about it.

This is the root cause of all this, I think. A certain group of members, the older ones who were setting the tone for the forum, left in mid 06, including many mods and admins. The lack of consistent enforcement set us up with a situation somewhat like that of the American colonies: lack of enforcement from Britain meant the Americans started doing things their way, and then when the Brits finally tried to project authority, there was a huge backlash.

Now, since users can't really take over the forum like in a revolution, if the mods and admins just applied the rules consistently and fairly, the users would get used to them again. But that's the thing: enforcement hasn't been consistent still, leaving the users not knowing what to expect at any time. It's pretty natural for people in the age group most common here, when confronted by a situation where the real expectations are unknown, to push until they find the boundaries. But when the boundaries are constantly shifting with how the mods and admins feel that day, the users get extremely frustrated.

So what should the users expect? COLA, there's really no choice, so long as this forum is on this site, about this being accessible to good little Christian children and their virgin eyes. Since I started getting some webspace from Joey on fellowsites, I looked at the user agreement and the rules here began to fit into a larger context. The rules weren't just about how Joey thought this forum should be run, but they're really part of Joey wanting all his webspace to be squeaky clean. As long as Joey ultimately owns the place (and it doesn't matter at all that he's not involved here), everyone's gotta learn again how to be clean here. Because even if the mods and admins wanted to, they wouldn't be able to slacken up the rules.

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EDIT: Ace posted this on SI, but the topic moved on, so I'll slide my response in here:
Acekirby wrote:
The only thing that bothered me was that if that was the reason Teff got banned, he was banned completely without warning. Someone should have notified him.

Once again, this is all part of the confusion users have about what is actually allowed there. The staff will warn someone about something one day but not most other times, and then go back to the mod board and complain about the stuff people are doing and "they KNOW better than this! Can't they read the rules? Gawd!" and let themselves get so worked up and frustrated that they don't do anything until they snap and overreact. Then justify the overreaction by saying the ban was for a string of offenses over the course of a month that they should have known was wrong. But they weren't called out on most of them.

Rules are only rules if they're enforced. People instinctively know this. If rules aren't consistently enforced, it doesn't matter if they're written, they don't exist. So what we have here is a forum where rules seem to magically appear and disappear randomly. Can anyone say chaos?
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Beyond the Grave wrote:
Don't treat this place as a substitute for a social life. It is just an internet forum.

This actually ties in to the whole Random Thoughts thing. Random Thoughts isn't the source of all evil here, but it does encourage using the forum as a social substitute. It turns the forum into a chat room. As much as good stuff happens in RT sometimes, there are several problems with that: 1) The bad stuff that happens there; 2) The pointless posts that happen there; 3) Forums aren't designed or meant to be places for rapid chat, they're places for a bit slower paced discussion of particular organized topics. If RT's removed, people may say "but I'll use the forum less!" or "I'll post less!" You know what? That's 100% a good thing. Find a gabbly room, join an AIM chat, go to a forum that loves drama, whatever. Places that are SUPPOSED to be chat rooms. (Of course that means restrictions on new post topics would have to be slackened because you couldn't just say "take it to random thoughts"... that's a whole other area that we'll have to feel out the right way of doing things as we go, but this time in consultation with the users instead of behind closed doors)

Also, lately, the tables have turned. Serious Inc people are going overboard on seriousness here much more than anyone else. But once again, I think that's due to frustration over uncertainty about enforcement of the rules.

I like that ramrod is putting himself out there. What the users don't know is that there's been some confusion about what exactly the new admins are allowed to do. There've been several ideas we'd like to implement that would help make enforcement more fair and consistent, but among the "real" admins, some don't seem to think anything needs to change here at all ever, and Stu is too busy with personal issues that are much more important than a stupid forum to get a hold of easily. It's good that someone's finally just stepping up and deciding "OK, whatever, this is what this community really needs and this is how it's gonna be."
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:54 pm ]
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IantheGecko wrote:
IF BTG could do a better job than me and actually keep the drama low, THEN I would graciously step down. But you guys still need to give me a chance like Didy said. I'm doing the best I can with all that's gone on.
:eek:

Why are you using me as an example?
Author:  Chekt [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:14 pm ]
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The Calcutta wrote:
"ohhh, he let a curse slip"
"CHILDREN BROWSE THIS BOARD, QUIT YOUR CUSSIN OR YOU'LL BE BANNED!!!!!!"

"Heh heh, Boobs"
SEXUAL INNUENDO, YOU'RE POISONING THESE POOR CHILDREN'S VIRGIN EARS!!!"
That's quite an overreaction right there.
They don't flip out, they'll give you a chance to change it yourself, or, I guess if your not on, they'll change it themselves.
And seriously, getting angry over some swears edited out of your posts is pretty stupid.
Author:  Acekirby [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:18 pm ]
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COLA wasn't mad about the edit, what he was mad about was that whatever mod did it, didn't sign the edit.

Didymus wrote:
Chekt wrote:
From what I've heard, this place used to me WAY more strict, so…thats all I'll say about that.

You're right. There was a time when this place was much more strict. And, funny thing, people seemed to enjoy it more. Yes, we had some drama in R & P every now and then, but other than that, people were fine with the way things were.

See, here's the statement I never get. People keep saying "you know when seethroo was an active admin it was really strict". I don't think so at all. I was here during a lot of the old regime (Porple, Jesty, DG as mods; Seethroo and Jones as admins) and I thought it was fairly loose. I always saw Seethroo as this cool guy you could kid around with. He'd warn you when you were breaking a rule, but he always did it with courtesy.
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:33 pm ]
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I don't recall there being any stipulation that said we had to sign our edits, implied or otherwise.

But I do seem to remember there being a rule regarding swearing.

Even so, there was no need for him to spend almost a whole page of RT arguing about it with us. He expects us to show him courtesy, but does not offer courtesy to us. I find this to be a ridiculous double standard on his part. He says we overreact, but he overreacts more than all of us combined.

Case in point: this very thread. I make a post trying to explore some of the reasons why there is conflict here, hoping to help us resolve some of these issues. And what does he do? He responds by saying its Our Fault.

What Chekt says is truth: you can see Cola's own overreactions to me right here in this thread.

And as for SeeThroo, do you honestly think he would have tolerated the arguing we've seen over the past few days? He and the others may have been loose, but we didn't have nearly as much boundary-pushing as we do now.
Author:  Acekirby [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:36 pm ]
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You act like I'm defending everything COLA does. I was just explaining what his issue was to Chekt.
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:38 pm ]
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Fair enough. I misunderstood.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:39 pm ]
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The thing is back then everyone on here how everything was or how everything went on. There was no questioning of if the mods were capable of doing their jobs. Then Clan came along and the mods almost blatant ignoring of our complaints to ban him severely damaged that idea you could do your job.
Author:  Chekt [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:44 pm ]
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Yeah, I probably could have said that last sentence better…oh well, my bad.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:48 pm ]
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EDIT: Yeah, the conversation really changed while I was writing this. Preted we're still tlaking about RT and rule 1.

Getting rid of random thoughts won't diminish the drama or its impact. Drama starts in RT because it's a place where you can pretty much discuss anything. So that means, in RT, you can start a discussion about your disagreement with a certain modmin decision - that's how this whole thing started. But if there is no existing thread to post it in, someone either a) disguises it as an on-topic post in another thread (this happens in "How ya' feelin'?" a lot, but elsewhere as well) or b) makes a new thread to discuss it. Either way, the drama hasn't disappeared, it's just located somewhere else.

As I've said before, we can't get rid of drama by attacking the drama itself, we have to attack its roots, the problems such as disagreeable modmin decisions, which eventually cause the drama. And that's what this reformation is trying to accomplish - set guidelines for modmins and give them the power they need*, and give more concrete expectations to users as a whole (including modmins - all in all, we're still just users) as to what they should and shouldn't do. This will stop most drama from even occurring so we won't have to deal with it so hurriedly.

*The new mods and admins were promoted in July to give them the power they needed to mod effectively. However, as said before, this has still not been accomplished - the admins still have to answer to Stu and the other senior admins, which keeps Ramrod and Sree from using the power that is sometimes needed.

As for rule 1, it's a necessary evil. We need it to be able to do things that we don't expect. What if we completely forgot to put anything mentioning pornography in our rules? We can't just let people post pornographic pictures without consequences, but without rule 1 we can't get rid of the pictures or make a new rule against them.

And that brings me to my next point. Rule 1 has been discussed in the mod forum a few times, and while we never really came to a real concrete consensus, we've vaguely decided on these guidelines.

1. Rule 1 will only be used when it's completely necessary
and
2. Any time we use rule 1, we will work to the best of our ability to make sure that rule 1 will not need to be used for a similar offense. That is, if we were to use rule 1 to delete the pornographic pictures in the aforementioned example, we would then make a rule against pornographic pictures so we could use that rule instead of rule 1.

So even though it's completely monarchical, we can make sure to use in the fairest way possible so that it's not.
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:48 pm ]
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The thing is back then everyone on here how everything was or how everything went on. There was no questioning of if the mods were capable of doing their jobs. Then Clan came along and the mods almost blatant ignoring of our complaints to ban him severely damaged that idea you could do your job.


But Mods don't have the ability to ban. You know that. At best, we could only damage-control when he struck. And trust me on this, no one wanted Clan gone more than me (except maybe Mandy). At the time, I think I had Forum Games and Arts and Crafts, and I did what I could to try to keep under control there, but until we finally got Stu to ban him for good, it was nothing but a source of complete frustration for me.

And then along came Anti-Cartoon'd. At first, everyone was furious over it, until Jello animated it. Then suddenly Clan was comic gold. Then he spammed up My Own Thread with his rants about Cola and Funky.

So if any of you think I wasn't listening to your complaints, trust me on this: I was making plenty of my own!
Author:  Duecex2 [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:49 pm ]
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Oh jeez, I feel like I should give a tl;dr post, but I'm not exactly good at those things. Uh, here's my breakdown.

1. RT&I has always been a guilty pleasure of mine. But it does need to go.

2. Mods and Admins - I'm ok with the job most of them do, but I agree that Ian over does his power, and some of the mods/admins fail to give any warnings to offenders. But here's another thing the SI users should understand: The Homestar Runner Wiki Forum was and never will be designed for humor. It was originally designed for discussing the Homestar Runner Wiki, and then Homestar, and then eventually mostly off-topic discussion. But it will never be /b/, it will never be Something Awful, and it will never be Serious Inc. Homestar Runner is a fairly clean internet cartoon, which means it can drag in younger fans, and younger fans can be lead here. I think sheltering children from language and stuff is stupid, but you guys need to realize that we have to cater to these kids, and cater to the requests of [s]that mormon jerko[/s] joey day. I know Joey doesn't give half a crap about this forum, but I'm positive he doesn't want "filth" on a site that he is hosting. If you guys want to jerk around, take it to SI. I've always liked the wf because it had structured discussion with some lulz sprinkled here and there. I've always liked SI because it has lulz with some stuctured discussion sprinkled here and there. So why do we need to take our humor and ideals to a clean forum for discussing Homestar Runner?

3. Oh, and I also approve of Ace, Capt. Ido, and Shwoo being mods.
Author:  Chekt [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:55 pm ]
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I still don't get why people say Ian abuses his power. He mods over Forum Games and A&C, which most of you guys rarely post in, except occasionally A&C, and I've rarely seen him do anything with his powers.
Author:  Duecex2 [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:56 pm ]
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Dude, he always acts like he has power over every board. I remember I did something kind of spammy in Off Topic, and he threatened to "ban" me.
Author:  Beyond the Grave [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:57 pm ]
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Duecex2 wrote:
Dude, he always acts like he has power over every board.
I haven't seen it.
Author:  Chekt [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:59 pm ]
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Duecex2 wrote:
Dude, he always acts like he has power over every board.
I really haven't seen this. But, you know, he is a mod, he should enforce the rules, even if it isn't in the boards he can't technically do anything in.
Author:  Ju Ju Master [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:01 pm ]
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Chekt wrote:
Duecex2 wrote:
Dude, he always acts like he has power over every board.
I really haven't seen this. But, you know, he is a mod, he should enforce the rules, even if it isn't in the boards he can't technically do anything in.

This is true. We are supposed to enforce rules wherever we see them broken. Most of the pms I make to people are about posts in forums I have no control over.

What's this "threatening to ban" thing you're talking about, though? If it wasn't in a pm, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Author:  Duecex2 [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:04 pm ]
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Ju Ju Master wrote:
Chekt wrote:
Duecex2 wrote:
Dude, he always acts like he has power over every board.
I really haven't seen this. But, you know, he is a mod, he should enforce the rules, even if it isn't in the boards he can't technically do anything in.

This is true. We are supposed to enforce rules wherever we see them broken. Most of the pms I make to people are about posts in forums I have no control over.

What's this "threatening to ban" thing you're talking about, though? If it wasn't in a pm, I have no idea what you're talking about.


PM, I tried to find it, must of deleted it. It was during the tire spam.
Author:  Didymus [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:07 pm ]
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Well, I think we've touched on something else that is of concern: exactly what authority do Mods have in threads that are not designated as theirs. My understanding has been that a Mod's authority extends to every thread, not just the ones they are appointed to oversee. Unfortunately, I've also observed that, when the Mod in question doesn't have power in that thread, it's very easy sometimes for some users to simply ignore them. In fact, at one time I had even suggested that we not even try, that we instead notify the Mods of those threads and let them intervene, since they can do so directly.

So there's where it stands: the Admins expectation is that a Moderator has authority and responsibility even in threads that are not assigned to them, but some users expect that only a Moderator assigned to that particular thread has the right to intervene in it. Perhaps that is a matter of clarification that must be made.
Author:  ramrod [ Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:14 pm ]
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First off, let me clear up a few things.

I've heard Clan's name mentioned quite a few times. Please remember that most of the current mods were not even mods at that time when it happened. So please don't be mad at them for what happened in the past. StrongRad and I were not admins during this time. We couldn't have done a darn thing about it. Don't be mad at something in the past, especailly something that we had no control over.

As for Rule 1, how about a rewrite of it? something along the lines of "We, the mods and admins ultimately have the final say. But this does not mean that we will not listen to your opinions, if they are brought to us in a calm and civil manner."

The mods will have a set of guidelines to follow. They are not to flaunt their powers. They are not to say "Because I'm a mod, that's why." They will treat others with respect, but that also should be shown to them. They are users first, mods second. Personal feelings should not dictate how they react. Biases will not be tolerated.

Random thoughts will stay, but instead moved to A&C. It will be the free for all thread, but the rules will still stand. This includes no swearing, no sexual discussion, no flaming, no page stretching, ect.

If you have any issues, please bring them up with myself or StrongRad. We're here for a reason.
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