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But some posters are more Equal than others.

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The Fall of Reich

This is your first post? I love you...

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You won't once you find out who I am.

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The Fall of Reich

Cola, we're discussing this in the mod area. Just remain calm and don't freak out.

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Sorry Ian. I told him to post this. This is something that needs to be discussed by all.

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Oh, crap. It's COLA.

Oh, well. You're alright, I guess.

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I agree with most of this stuff except I think that there really doesn't need to be a super-organized government structure. I go to this other forum that has about as many users as this one, and only has two or three moderators. If the community feels that any changes are necessary, they post it in a suggestions board, and, you know, vote on it. This place doesn't need to be a total democracy, but it should slide with what the majority of users think.

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Sorry, Ram.

We are discussing promoting Ace, Capt. Ido Nos, and Shwoo as the newest mods. Shwoo because she posts a lot in the top sections, Capt because he gets along with pretty much everyone, and Ace as an addition from Serious Inc. I'm happily willing to follow suggested mod rules, and I agree that Rule 1 needs to go. It'd be kinda funny:

-"Where's Rule 1?"
-"There is no Rule 1."
-"O...k....."

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COLA, look, we see what you're saying and to some extent we agree with you... but to some extent we disagree with you, too. But at the end of the day, as I've said before, "rules is rules". If you don't follow the rules, you get kicked out. No matter what tweaks we make to the system here, that's not going to change.

BTW, if you think we're harsh, you should see how they run GameFAQs.



"Moderator" means "one who enforces moderation", not "one with moderate powers". Indeed, a moderator could be very much not moderate. Anyway, I do agree that we shouldn't run about with reckless abandon, but I don't think that's what we've been doing. Can you give us any concrete examples of what you see as mod excess?

- Kef

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From what I've heard, this place used to me WAY more strict, so…thats all I'll say about that.


And I feel that there can be a common ground somewhere that we can compromise on.

What you need is a three-strikes policy.

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This came sooner and a lot more bluntly than I thought it would have. I'm kinda tired, so I'm just gonna re-post what I posted in the mod thread on a similar topic (though less broad). Keep in mind that it's written to modmins in the modmin board, so "you"s and "here"s are a little off.



So there's that. I'll read through this thing more thoroughly tomorrow and give a better stance.

One more thing, though: if you guys want change, you should try to do it in the most respectful way possible. For anything, not just forum stuff. Insulting people in any way is going to make them less happy to agree with you, even if the insult is warranted. It's just a good tip.

Oh, and you all should know that this isn't all COLA. Different parts of that were written by different people, if I'm not mistaken.

I just sent a giant PM to Ramrod so I'm pretty burnt out, but here's what I said to him, in a nutshell.

1. RT&I needs to go. It was an ok thread for a while, but lately it's just been a breeding ground for bad blood and drama. It takes away from other threads, as well. People just decide to post there instead of in our many other threads.

2. [Quoting is easier]

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THIS.

More than anything, that thread needs to go.

[s]I counter with my trap card![/s] Speaking of that, might as well post another thing from the mod forum. Again, "you"s and "here"s are wrong, blah blah blah.



Sorry about all this quoting, I'm just kinda burnt out too.

I don't see anything wrong with the RT thread. Especially since it's been running so long. If it gets out of hand, a templock is acceptable. I see no reason for it to completely vanish.

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...Wait, Why? Random Thoughts is where I go when whatever I want to say doesn't fit anywhere else!

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The Fall of Reich

Or just make people post in the appropriate threads, instead of RT. But that will never work.

THIS.

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I have said this before, and I wil again.

First off, there are currently no innactive mods. PMG has been relieved of his duties.

Second off, I am willing to remove Rule #1. I never liked it. What it basically says is "Because we're always right, that's why!" It's what parents say to a 5 year old.

What I would like to do is if you have a problem with a user, please bring it up with myself or StrongRad. This is why we're here. If you have an issue with something else, then please, feel free to post it here, in suggestions. Want changes to the rules? Feel the need for new mods? Post it in Suggestions.

I'm willing to hear all your voices on the varying issues of the forum. I want this to be like a town meeting. I want to hear your opinions before we make a decision. We, the admins, would ultimately have the final decision, but are completely willing to hear what you have to say about it. Obviously, if it's a spammer or troll, they'll be outright banned. No meeting for the obvious stuff like that.

As for new mods, I want your opinions. This is not to be some sort of popularity contest. We are looking for people that are respected, friendly, trustworthy, and most importantly, bathe regularly.

Mods, remembers that we are users as well. I don't want to see you go "Well, I'm a mod, that's why!" To be respected, you need to earn it. That applies to everyone.

I am willing to talk to anyone about this. I have AIM, yahoo messenger, windows messenger, GTalk, plus my account here and on Serious Inc. If you need to talk about anything, then let's talk. I have said that before, and I will say it again.

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True, but there's going to be a difference. RT has become so critical to every user here that once something goes down there, things seem to grind to a halt. It's by far our biggest and most posted in thread, and I'm willing to bet it's also the most read. A lot of discussion goes on in that thread, and a lot of discussion that could be had in other threads are diverted into that one.

In the current state of the forum, if there is drama in RT, the whole forum stops to deal with it. I think if RT was deleted and the other threads became populous again, then if drama erupted in one, discussion could still possibly be going on in other threads, undisturbed.

This is kind of hard to explain...mind if I try an analogy? Say you go apple picking and have a lot of baskets. Now say once you're done, you put 75% of your apples in one basket, and the other 25% in the rest of them. On the way home, your 75% basket breaks and all your apples fall out. You've still got the 25% of good ones, but now you have to spend a lot of time picking up the now tainted apples off of the road. You also have to tell Random Man #1, 2, 3, and 4 why you're picking them all up. You're stuck with 75% bad apples that could cause problems later if you want to put them in a pie or whatever (see now how analogies suck). Now, instead, say you put 25% in each basket, and the same thing happens. You have to spend less time picking up the bad apples, and you have 75% good apples still going strong.

BASICALLY: What we're doing is putting all our apples in one basket [putting all discussion in one thread]. Every time it breaks [drama], we're worse off because we lose almost all our "apples" [it grinds everything to a halt and there's bad blood still festering]. If we decided to get rid of RT and spread out discussion, then if we had drama in one thread, it wouldn't be as bad.

That's kind of what I think would happen. Hope that helped, but it probably didn't.

Of course, this is all me right here. If you guys think it'd be all right sticking around, then go for it.

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Yeah, what he said.

Also, drama is less likely to erupt if you're actually talking about stuff, instead of just talking, I think. And, drama aside, most of what's said in there could either go in a pre-existing thread or be made into a new thread.

But then we would have so many threads that will probably only get 2-3 posts in it and then be forgotten.

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The Fall of Reich

Like I said, if it gets dramatic, temp-lock it and throw the drama into the vault.

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also, this isn't a thread about Random Thoughts, its about the total Reformation of everything.

lol redundant

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The Fall of Reich

A possible solution would be to move the topic to like...Forum Games, or somewhere where the posts aren't counted, and make it into a Chat Thread or something.

I dunno, just throwing ideas out. Like I said, I'm pretty burnt out right now. It's 1:40 AM and I've been talking all night.

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temp-locks don't help anything, as was shown today. They just make the drama explode into a ton of different threads and such.

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No, that thread is fine where it is. For it to be in Forum Games wouldn't half to constitute a game?

And, rule changes. Here's what we should do with the two rules that I dislike:

Rule 1: Gone. Outta here. We don't need it, it's a stupid rule.

Rule 6: 4 chances, then you're outta there.

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Maybe, but you have to admit that a LOT of the posts in RT would probably not be considered in depth analysis. Like I said, though, I'm just throwing ideas out.


The RT thing was not the focus of my PM/post, by far. What I'd rather discuss is the second point I made. (Not reposting it here, I'm too tired, just go look at it)

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The posts don't have to contribute to anything. That's why I don't think we should rempve it. We might even have benefited if it was stickied.

Now get down to brass tacks....

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