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Rusty · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:45 pm

Alright, so as most of you know, I was banned for using a "racial slur" to describe Asians. Specifically, right here. Now, let me point something out, first: I am not racist. Hopefully, you guys understand that. I consider all words to be what they are - words. I believe more in the meaning behind the way the word is said, rather than believing that any time the word is used, it is meant to be offensive. That's why I have no problem with "cursing". However, that's besides the point; I just wanted to clear any misinterpretation up.

My ban was instituted on May 20th, and I was scheduled to be unbanned on June 20th. Early June 20th, I contacted Stu and requested that I be unbanned. Here's that conversation:

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10:29:59 PM Rustirino: So.
10:30:02 PM Rustirino: It's Friday.
10:30:10 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: a needle pulling thread?
10:30:13 PM Rustirino: Friday, June 20th, to be exact.
10:30:15 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: just about
10:30:21 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: (11:30 here)
10:30:41 PM Rustirino: Do you know what's important about Friday, June 20th?
10:30:56 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: 6:20? the potheads got confused?
10:31:05 PM Rustirino: IT'S THE DAY I GET UNBANNED
10:31:10 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: oh?
10:31:14 PM Rustirino: Si.
10:31:33 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: I was under the impression that your ban was of the "perma" variety
10:31:37 PM Rustirino: Nope
10:31:38 PM Rustirino: one month
10:32:11 PM Rustirino: One month today
10:32:35 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: I don't hang out so much there
10:32:49 PM Rustirino: Yeah.
10:35:30 PM Rustirino: So could you unban me
10:35:31 PM Rustirino: please
10:35:43 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: nope
10:35:47 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: as I said...
10:35:51 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: I don't hang out there much
10:36:33 PM Rustirino: ...okay that makes sense

Now, I could have understood if he had said "It's not friday everywhere". But no, it's because he doesn't "hang out here much". Now, I woke up a few hours later, and contacted him again. Here's THAT conversation:

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7:17:52 PM Rustirino: Okay dude, seriously
7:17:57 PM Rustirino: it is well past my bantime
7:18:01 PM Rustirino: come on
Changed status to Online (7:22:04 PM)
7:22:30 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: I already told you, dude... you're going to have to talk to ramrod
7:22:47 PM Rustirino: But he's not online
7:22:51 PM Rustirino: hasn't been all day
7:22:59 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: did you send him an email?
7:23:06 PM Rustirino: Haven't tried that
7:23:10 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: oh
7:23:11 PM Rustirino: I don't know his email address.
7:23:20 PM Rustirino: I have his Im contact info, though.
7:23:23 PM cool.stu@gmail.com: yeah

Alright, at this point, I'm quite angry. This is something I consider to be an administrator picking and choosing. It's time for me to be unbanned - why not? Basically, because he doesn't feel like it.

Okay, so I wait for Ramrod to get online, and he unbans me right off. Cool.

Not even a DAY after I come back, I receive this message from Stu:

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Will you please change your Occupation and your Interests.

Thanks,

Stu

Now, my Occupation is Making Goatse. My Interests are Goatse. No links. Just words. Here's my reply:

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Wait, didn't we go over this a long time ago?

What's the reason? It's a word, not even a "swear word", that's been used in conversations many times on this forum.

His reply:

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I don't recall going over this at all with you. Sure it's a word, but if you perform a google search for that word, the images that come up are far from appropriate for the users of this forum (or for anyone in general).

If you don't remove it, I'll remove it for you. The easiest way I can think to do that is by simply removing your entire account.

Thank you

Ha ha, okay. Now, here's where I think, wait a minute. This is starting to sound like some sort of grudge. A threat? Ha, okay. How about banning everyone else who has used that word? How about banning everyone who has used, I dunno, any word that someone could Google, and get "inappropriate" results? Here's my reply:

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A while ago, it was decided that having a word like that (the exact word, mind you), without a link to the actual content, was okay. By, yanno, the actual administrators. The ones who actually enforce rules equally, unlike yourself, and the ones that don't come here just to harass the other members of the administration. So, I don't think I'll be removing it.

By the way, I thought you couldn't make any decisions? Remember this:

(Instant messenger quotes from earlier)

So, why can't you unban me? And why are you so quick to threaten banning me over something that has been deemed acceptable, and does not go against any rules except the ones you, and only you, have made up?/

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His reply:

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The reason I couldn't unban you wasn't because I am a powerless administrator, but rather because Ramrod was the admin who was dealing with your situation. If I had gone around him, he might have been upset (maybe he wanted to handle it different than me).

I do my best to enforce the rules when I see cases that are in violation. I don't read every post on the forums (or hardly many anymore), but when I see something (or when someone brings it to my attention) I do my best to take care of it.

So consider this your warning. Remove it please.

Ha, okay, first off, I didn't remove it. Ramrod was the administrator dealing with your situation? What the heck does that mean? It's one administration, collectively doing one job. The whole point of having more than one administrator is, if one is offline, the other can take care of whatever the offline one can't do at the moment.

My Reply:

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Did anyone actually bring it to your attention?

His reply:

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Rusty... you just came back from a permaban. Your account is under "constant surveillance" of sorts.

But if you insist on knowing, no... I was the one who noticed it first. However, they doesn't really matter. The point is you are in violation of rule #6. any words containing sexual innuendo

Fix it.

I don't really care if I'm under surveillance. I shouldn't be getting into trouble for things that aren't against the rules.

And, again, how about banning the words everyone uses on a nearly daily basis? I can guarantee you that at least once every other day, a word containing sexual innuendo is used on this forum. Why me, and why now? Oh, and Goatse is an internet slang term. So, yeah.

I haven't replied to this, as I was determined to get this into suggestions. I'm not trying to start any drama. I'm trying to bring to everyone's attention that Stu is a terrible admin. This may just be my personal experience, but it's a lot for just two days. And I know that some of you have a problem with him and the other KB admins ordering people around. It's ridiculous. And I've wished for it to be brought to public attention, and now, I have the chance.

Oh, actually, he JUST removed the occupation and interests, as I was typing this. So, there you go.

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:54 pm

I think the administration team needs to get on the same page about crap and folloe Inverse's Pledge (TM) or whatever that was.

Also less hypocrisy and grudges would be nice too

gino · **Joined:** Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:40 pm **Posts:** 802

What did you do to Stu? I don't see why he couldn't unban you.

DS_Kid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:59 pm

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Rusty · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:00 pm

DIDN'T SEE IT COMING

gino wrote:

What did you do to Stu? I don't see why he couldn't unban you.

You got me. I have no idea, really.

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:01 pm

DS_Kid wrote:

the stuff

I love you.

Also I demand we bring our grope count up. 2 is not enough.

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:02 pm

I think I'm gonna go start a Lemon Party.

EDIT: Also, Goobye lower boards.

Rusty · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:04 pm

The Noid wrote:

DS_Kid wrote:

the stuff

I love you.

Also I demand we bring our grope count up. 2 is not enough.

Well, now Grope is at 4. We're on our way.

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:

I think I'm gonna go start a Lemon Party.

EDIT: Also, Goobye lower boards.

Not yet

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:05 pm

Rusty wrote:

Well, now Grope is at 4. We're on our way.

Grope grope grope grope grope grope grope grope grope-ity grope

Also this would be a stupid thing to get rid of the lower boards for.

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:05 pm

No no, trust me, Lower Boards will be gone by monday, my common sense is tingling.

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:06 pm

A user disagrees with an admin, that doesn't mean we have to kill 80-95% of the forum.

Rusty · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:07 pm

The Noid wrote:

Rusty wrote:

Well, now Grope is at 4. We're on our way.

Grope grope grope grope grope grope grope grope grope-ity grope

Also this would be a stupid thing to get rid of the lower boards for.

Well, it's kind of a build-up of many things. Like I said, I just wanted to bring it to the attention of the masses, because many people are afraid to.

EDIT: dangit noid did you read my topic

IantheGecko · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:07 pm

Meh, I'll still post here even if that happens. I don't think we should all suffer just because you have a beef with Stu. At least Raddy thinks you should run for president.

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:08 pm

Nothing we have done is stupid enough yet to essentially shut down the forum. At least I don't think so.

Also Rusty should be president, then we'd have the title of Ballsiest Nation.

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EDIT: dangit noid did you read my topic

ahm sorry mistah :((

Rusty · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:09 pm

I have a beef with Stu because he can't do his job (for lack of a better term).

The Noid wrote:

Nothing we have done is stupid enough yet to essentially shut down the forum.

Also Rusty should be president, then we'd have the title of Ballsiest Nation.

Ballsiest - 1

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:16 pm

Rusty wrote:

I have a beef with Stu because he can't do his job (for lack of a better term)

Yes he can. He's just one of the old school admins. The old admins were very black and white when it came to the rules of the forum. You either followed them to the letter or you got punished. All these rules are open for each mod's personal interpretation.

God · **Joined:** Sun May 25, 2008 6:22 pm **Posts:** 30

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest wrote:

No no, trust me, Lower Boards will be gone by monday, my common sense is tingling.

Lo, the rapture is nigh.
Repent, and thou shalt be set forth into my Kingdom.

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:17 pm

Beyond the Grave wrote:

All these rules are open for each mod's personal interpretation.

And I think that's the problem here. The Modmins need to get on one page instead of using the rules as guidelines for their own version of enforcement.

Rusty · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:18 pm

How is picking and choosing what to do and what not to do black and white?

Beyond the Grave · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:20 pm

Rusty wrote:

How is picking and choosing what to do and what not to do black and white?

I'm just saying that is how he interprets the rules.

Rusty · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:20 pm

Not a very good interpretation.

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:21 pm

Well I think he believes that Lahi should be unbanned so maybe.

DS_Kid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:21 pm

We should have 17 sets of rules. :D

Rusty · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:24 pm

The Noid wrote:

Well I think he believes that Lahi should be unbanned so maybe.

He believes that either Lahi is unbanned or I am re-banned.

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:25 pm

Which I think is one of the stupidest things ever. There's a difference between doing what Rusty has done (I can't really describe it but it's harmless if you ask me) and spamming the same topic over and over again.

Hey guys, good to be buds with an admin, isn't it?

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:29 pm

Also, Stu confuses Rusty with Jello.

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Tell me if you remember this one... One of our users managed to acquire an administrators password (most likely through a website of his own). He took that password, logged on and proceeded to cause a certain amount of mayhem. How does that compare to a couple dozen spam messages over the course of an hour or so (a task relatively easily fixed by the MODS). Somehow that isn't worth a permaban? Seriously, what the hell?

Capt. Ido Nos · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:30 pm

Hey, okay, here's the deal. We've actually been talking with Stu for the last day or so, more or less working on getting him up to speed on things. He admits to not being around like he used to, and he doesn't like being out of sync too too much. What I see with what happened here, Rusty, is that Stu was trying to do what he used to in helping things run better. I actually remember us the modmins getting upset over gostse in recent times, although apparently in more recent times we've been lax on the matter. I think we still would prefer people to not have it as some sort of their profile, but I mean talking about it sans linking is fine.

To everyone around the forum, the modmins are working hard lately to get ourselves on the same page on all the rules and workings of this place, we really are. We'd appreciate it if every little discrepancy did not merit public outrage. Things happen, like Stu coming back for a few days to see what's going on.

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Rusty wrote:

The Noid wrote:

Well I think he believes that Lahi should be unbanned so maybe.

He believes that either Lahi is unbanned or I am re-banned.

Not exactly. He believes that we should keep you accountable, or else unban Lahi. I don't see much of a problem with that.

ed 'lim' smilde · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:31 pm

DS_Kid wrote:

HR Wiki Forum Search Results:
Things that someone could Google and find offensive results for.
[List]

The problem is, with the exception of maybe 4chan and yaoi, everyone knows what those things are and should expect to find offensive results if they actually search it. A couple years ago, I definitely wouldn't know what goatse is, and I probably would've looked it up if I had read it in a profile field like that...

The Noid · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:31 pm

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He took that password, logged on and proceeded to cause a certain amount of mayhem. How does that compare to a couple dozen spam messages over the course of an hour or so (a task relatively easily fixed by the MODS).

"A couple"? 28 is not a couple. And it was much longer than an hour, if you count second account and RT crap.

edit: Guys. On the "you don't know" thing. I've known what Goatse was since I was 10 years old. We can't shelter people from everything.

Choc-o-Lardiac Arrest · **Posted:** Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:32 pm

ed 'lim' smilde wrote:

DS_Kid wrote:

HR Wiki Forum Search Results:
Things that someone could Google and find offensive results for.
[List]

The problem is, with the exception of maybe 4chan and yaoi, everyone knows what those things are and should expect to find offensive results if they actually search it. A couple years ago, I definitely wouldn't know what goatse is, and I probably would've looked it up if I had read it in a profile field like that...

No you wouldn't have, you'd have asked someone on the forum what it was, and someone would tell you.

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