I've thought about this many times when I asked myself the question "What would it be like if the universe never existed?"
Always made my brain implode.
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| Author: | Did he sell eggs? [ Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:44 pm ] |
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Indigo Kitsune wrote: Yeah, I think nothing-ness is possible.
Because without 'nothing', how can you have 'something'? Well, you would have "something" because thats what everything is. Everything isn't nothing, so nothing could not exist. Ooh! Its a tie! All good discussions need a tie. (That sounded a bit funny. "This isn't a good discussion! We need to but it a tie!") |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:33 pm ] |
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I guess. I don't really know for sure now. Oh, well. It's 'nothing' to stay up all night worrying about. Tho, I stay up all night anyways, being a night owl and all. But I'm usually just surfing the net, in search of something entertaining. I'm yet to find much. |
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| Author: | Joshua [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:30 am ] |
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I've thought about this many times when I asked myself the question "What would it be like if the universe never existed?" Always made my brain implode.
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| Author: | Cybernetic Teenybopper [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:24 am ] |
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DarkSideOfTheSchwartz wrote: yes, nothingness is possible, but only in space and far beyond where the universe has expanded. out there, it is a limitless void, there are no objects, no light, no electromagnetic waves at all. It is completely empty. If that isn't nothingness, than what is it?
But according to scientists who study this kind of stuff, the Universe doesn't expand into anything. Does that still count as nothing, or is that just something completely out of our comprehension? If we can comprehend nothing, does that make it something because we can focus our thoughts on it? |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:28 am ] |
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I'm still reading this thread off and on and well...my brain hurts...is 'nothing' real or not. Well, I still say it is. It's like asking, is there darkness? Yeah, there is. Without light. But also, there's light. So if there's nothing, then there can be something. Because what do you get when you take something away? You get nothing. |
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| Author: | Did he sell eggs? [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:14 am ] |
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Indigo Kitsune wrote: I'm still reading this thread off and on and well...my brain hurts...is 'nothing' real or not.
Well, I still say it is. It's like asking, is there darkness? Yeah, there is. Without light. But also, there's light. So if there's nothing, then there can be something. Because what do you get when you take something away? You get nothing. Yeah, but that doesn't mean there is "nothing" altogether. (But that is a good point. And that sounded like mine is the right answer, which I don't want it to sound like.) |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:16 am ] |
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Thanks. I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm going through every rational theory I can think of. I'm not saying there is 'nothing' or not. I'm just trying to find a way to prove it. I like discussions like this. It's fun. |
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| Author: | Did he sell eggs? [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:20 am ] |
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Yeah.I have to say thank you to the kid at my school who started this argument with me. Without him, too many HRWF people's brains would not be exploded. |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:22 am ] |
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Yeah, true. Isn't it amazing how such simple things like this are so hard to prove or disprove, though? Well, it's a good discussion. And I hope it carries on for awhile. |
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| Author: | Did he sell eggs? [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:28 am ] |
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Well, it did get me a nominee for Best Poll, so It'll probably (Finally learned how to spell that!) live out a bit longer. Another brain killer aspect: What does air look like? (I mean the thing right in front of you.) We know that exists, but we can't see it. |
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| Author: | Cybernetic Teenybopper [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:30 pm ] |
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Did he sell eggs? wrote: Another brain killer aspect: What does air look like? (I mean the thing right in front of you.) We know that exists, but we can't see it.
Transparency. Boring, yes, but hey. 
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| Author: | Did he sell eggs? [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:00 pm ] |
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Cybernetic Teenybopper wrote: Did he sell eggs? wrote: Another brain killer aspect: What does air look like? (I mean the thing right in front of you.) We know that exists, but we can't see it. Transparency. Boring, yes, but hey. What does transparency look like? |
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| Author: | Cybernetic Teenybopper [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:06 pm ] |
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It doesn't look like anything. It's see-through. There's nothing there to see. It doesn't reflect light! Well, I suppose if you wanted to get a REALLY powerful microscope, you could see the atoms bouncing around, but still, it's not much to see. |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:09 am ] |
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A couple of questions for you all. If soap cleans us, what cleans soap? What color is a mirror? I've kind of wondered these a bit myself. I've never really found an answer. Maybe someone here can answer them. |
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| Author: | PianoManGidley [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:09 am ] |
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Indigo Kitsune wrote: If soap cleans us, what cleans soap? A product that is already clean does not need to be cleaned. Trying to clean soap would serve as much purpose as trying to clean an already-cleaned floor. Indigo Kitsune wrote: What color is a mirror?
Silver. Better yet, Wikipedia knows. |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:22 am ] |
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Oh, well, I tried to stump someone. I get a cookie for trying right? No? Aww, alright. Well, still, this thread is interesting. I'm still waiting on some more theories on 'nothing-ness'. I'm all for a good debate. Except in politics. I hate politics. Nothing but mudslinging and lying through teeth. Here's a good question: Is there a such thing as an honest politician? |
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| Author: | Did he sell eggs? [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:47 am ] |
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Heres another Toastpaintable idea: You aren't born smart. Being smart is determined by attention, communication, and comprehending. This, all added up together, determines how smart you will grow overtime. Thus, you cannot magically know the mutiplication, you must still go through learning. However, that process can be speeded up by those three elements. (Although, they say babies are born understanding the number 3.) Sorry for bad spelling. There is no spell check on this computer. (One reason I'd rather use my Mac for forums.) |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:51 am ] |
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I'm a new comer, I'll admit it. So I have a question to those members who's been in this forum longer than me. What is with this whole 'toast paint' thing? Please, please, someone explain that to me. I've seen it all over this forum and I just can't get it. I know it's a stupid question, I guess. But like I said, I'm a new comer. I don't all the inside jokes yet. |
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| Author: | Did he sell eggs? [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:56 am ] |
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Indigo Kitsune wrote: I'm a new comer, I'll admit it. So I have a question to those members who's been in this forum longer than me.
What is with this whole 'toast paint' thing? Please, please, someone explain that to me. I've seen it all over this forum and I just can't get it. I know it's a stupid question, I guess. But like I said, I'm a new comer. I don't all the inside jokes yet. Means the topic is going off topic. Used by someone saying "TOASTPAINT!" as a telling that it is going off topic. (And don't feel nooby for saying that. I had no idea until I read the forum dictionary.) |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:00 am ] |
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Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'll try not to throw anything off topic again. I know that bugs some of the forum goers. Especially the Mods and Ads. And I really don't want to tick them off. So, anyways, I'm still wondering about the whole 'nothing-ness' thing. How long before you think someone will come up with a good theory? Or do you think this will be debated until the forum closes? It's a good question really. |
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| Author: | ChickenLeg [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:01 am ] |
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If there's nothingness, there has to be infinity. They go together. But nothing is also a something, making infinity impossible. |
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| Author: | Did he sell eggs? [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:06 am ] |
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Indigo Kitsune wrote: So, anyways, I'm still wondering about the whole 'nothing-ness' thing. How long before you think someone will come up with a good theory? Or do you think this will be debated until the forum closes? The first page has the best theories. ChickenLeg wrote: If there's nothingness, there has to be infinity. They go together. But nothing is also a something, making infinity impossible.
Sorta my idea too. |
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| Author: | Dark Grapefruit [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:13 am ] |
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ChickenLeg wrote: If there's nothingness, there has to be infinity. They go together. But nothing is also a something, making infinity impossible.
Nothing (zero) and infinity have to exist, at least as mathematical concepts, in order for our understanding of maths not to contradict itself. e.g. without zero at the centre of the number line, there could be no concept of negative numbers. So I think nothing can exist in the same way the number 1 exists- as a concept applied to a number with a certain property. Sorry if that sounds like mumbo-jumbo. To be honest most math sounds like mumbo-jumbo to me as well. |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:21 am ] |
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I think you got something going on there. If there's such a thing as 'zero', than there has to be a such thing as nothing. Because that's what zero is, nothing. |
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| Author: | Ju Ju Master [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:39 am ] |
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Dark Grapefruit wrote: Nothing (zero) and infinity have to exist, at least as mathematical concepts, in order for our understanding of maths not to contradict itself. e.g. without zero at the centre of the number line, there could be no concept of negative numbers. So I think nothing can exist in the same way the number 1 exists- as a concept applied to a number with a certain property. Sorry if that sounds like mumbo-jumbo. To be honest most math sounds like mumbo-jumbo to me as well.
But math is an abstract, man-made concept. It doesn't show anything about a physical nothingnesss. |
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:57 am ] |
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Alright, I think I know what to do. What's in a vacuum? And for you guys who are think your being cleaver and funny saying 'dust', I'm not meaning a Hoover Vac. I'm meaning a vacuum as in taking a vessel and removing all it's contents, including air. Now, what is in a vacuum? Tell me. And don't say 'space'. Space can mean anywhere. With or without air. |
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| Author: | Cybernetic Teenybopper [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:27 pm ] |
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A vacuum still contains energy. An energy field permeates everything. And because energy is interchangeable with matter, a vacuum can never be truly empty unless it is devoid of energy as well. Especially since quantum weirdnesses can cause things called virtual particles, which are pairs of matter-antimatter particle pairs that pop into existance from the energy and then immediately annhilate themselves, rereleasing that energy. Wikipedia knows, but unless you study string theory for fun, all that might just look like a bunch of jargle. But it's really cool and screws with your perceptions on nothingness if you get it. And besides, space itself is a something anyway. Sorry. I DO read up on string theory for fun. I'm no expert, but I know some of this brain-hurting stuff.
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| Author: | Indigo Kitsune [ Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:37 pm ] |
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I give up. I'm going back to my den. This little kitsune has tried his best to prove that 'nothing-ness' is possible. But he's not doing it so well. So, I'll just sit here, in my den and watch everybody else fight over this. Anyways, with an indigo (remember, I hate being called blue) fuzzy coat like mine, it'd be a great shame to get it scuffed up if a fight where to break out in here. lol Anyways, I don't really need to strain my brain thinking of new theories. I have stories to write. And a script/story board of my own flash movie to write. Um...don't...uh...don't start looking for my flash movie anytime soon. I don't have the software (yet) and for the fear that eBaum might steal it, I'm not submitting it to any site on the net once I get it made. It's just going to be a personal project. I already have the music. I just need Flash Studio 8 ($999) and a Tablet ($100-200) to make the movie. And I'm not exactly rolling in dough right now. So the script/storyboard will just have to do for now. |
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| Author: | topofsm [ Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:48 am ] |
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I don't think so in this universe (I'm pretty sure there are alternate universes out there) But somehow I think there can be in another realm of physics. |
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| Author: | The Noid [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:56 am ] |
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Joshua wrote: I've thought about this many times when I asked myself the question "What would it be like if the universe never existed?"
Always made my brain implode. Aw, "What if life did not exist?", right? I hate it when that happens. I end up thinking about pure emptiness and notihng would exist. And then I wonder why we're even here, and then the nothingness is reminded, and then- ARGH I DID IT AGAIN |
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