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What's your preferance?
Carnivore 10%  10%  [ 6 ]
Herbivore 8%  8%  [ 5 ]
Omnivore 79%  79%  [ 50 ]
please don't say cannibalism 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
I'm taking the fith... 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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half of the babies will be a bull. no good for milk. so, what else can we get from them?


Ever heard of Red Bull? :mrgreen:

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yeah, but they only use the.....uh, crown jewels.


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Sorry to be nitpicky, but it's "immoral," not "unmoral."

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Cooked flesh of animals= fine in my books. I mean, it is natural. Otherwise we wouldn't have been doing it since our creation.

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I'm an omnivore. I eat plenty of vegetables, but I really enjoy eating meat as well. As long as it's tasty. I sometimes throw my leftovers in the garbage, but I make myself better by saying it's for the bugs and rats. They and their brethren can finish it off.

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Now, I'm no sure about cooking lobsters while their still alive and Veal though... They taste amazing, but I would hate to imagine being in their shoes.


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Lobsters aren't very nice, though. If we were stuck laying down on the beach and they were hungry, I'm pretty sure they would chow down.

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Lobsters aren't very nice, though. If we were stuck laying down on the beach and they were hungry, I'm pretty sure the would chow down.


That's true, but we also are a lot smarter than lobsters... *looks around* Okay, nevermind that last part.


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I'd have to go with carnivore. I prefer meat so much to veggies. I'd take a giant steak over a steak/veggie or a vegetarian meal any day. I barely ever eat vegetables.

Which is too bad, because humans are omnivores. It's natural (and healthy) for us to eat both meat and veggies.

I could never be a vegetarian. I like meat too much. And to vegetarians out there, I know you're not all like this, but to those who are, please don't remind me of the animals who died when I say I eat fast food burgers and such. Not only is it irritating, but it's pointless. I'll woof that thing down faster.

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Sorry to be nitpicky, but it's "immoral," not "unmoral."

Yeah...I noticed that too.

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I'm an herbivore. Have been for 9 years, and it kinda makes me sad to see how much some people hate vegetarians. I mean...it's not like we're doing anything wrong by not eating animals. I know some veggies are really idiotic about it, but it doesn't mean you have to badmouth the rest of us - I mean, you have to admit...it is for a kind of good cause, right?


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@ Code J- This is just what a bunch of them were doing in the "favorite console" thread. Sterotyping.

Guys, just 'cause one Vegger goes nuts doesen't mean all Veggers are nuts.

Give them a break, folks.


As for me, I'll put Carnivore. I am so allergic to veggies (not in literal sense, I just hate 'em), I don't even eat them if it means sitting at the dinner table 'till the next day.

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I'm an herbivore. Have been for 9 years, and it kinda makes me sad to see how much some people hate vegetarians. I mean...it's not like we're doing anything wrong by not eating animals. I know some veggies are really idiotic about it, but it doesn't mean you have to badmouth the rest of us - I mean, you have to admit...it is for a kind of good cause, right?


Most of the people here aren't saying all vegetarians are bad. We disagree with your opinions, but most of us respect the choice.

But you're right, there are some people who hate all vegetarians, some of them at this forum, and you're right, it just just another stereotype. Kinda sucks, but then again, nowadays everythign has a bad stereotype. At least you're not alone ;)


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Yeah, at least you're not one of those nuts that would probably try to force feed someone until they can't breathe. :p

Apperantly wheat and tofu kills around one million animals a year, though, which is interesting...

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But you're right, there are some people who hate all vegetarians, some of them at this forum, and you're right, it just just another stereotype. Kinda sucks, but then again, nowadays everythign has a bad stereotype. At least you're not alone ;)
It only takes one crazy person trying to free farm animals to give all the vegetarians a bad name. It's the same way with PETA, many members are not spray-painting fur coats, but the media would rather focus on the crazies then the normals.

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But you're right, there are some people who hate all vegetarians, some of them at this forum, and you're right, it just just another stereotype. Kinda sucks, but then again, nowadays everythign has a bad stereotype. At least you're not alone ;)
It only takes one crazy person trying to free farm animals to give all the vegetarians a bad name. It's the same way with PETA, many members are not spray-painting fur coats, but the media would rather focus on the crazies then the normals.


I agree--the media is largely to blame for this sense of a growing dichotomy in our nation's society today. They only highlight the extremists of any group for any debatable issue: animal rights, gay marriage, abortion, seperation of Church and State... The bottom line is that so many people are only seeing the extremists from the other side of the fence and are forming opinions of that entire side's ideology based on those unrepresentative few. And as a result, there really IS a dichotomy growing in our nation, just as the media presents, which only gives them more fuel for the fire...it's sort of a chicken/egg thing, but I think that we can point a lot of the blame at the media.

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Unfortunately Piano man, the media is so caught up in money and prestige that it's looking for something that will catch viewers eyes. A group of people protesting outside of KFC is not as interesting as someone burning it down. Note that I said a group of people, not just one. Also note that I said one person burning down a KFC, not a group. The act of the one is deemed better for viewership than the act on the many.

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The really retarded thing about some vegetarians' rants is that meat kills too many animals, while most vegetarians don't know, or fail to acknowledge the fact that more animals are killed a year making vegetarian foods and wheat than there are per year killed for meat. So, the whole concept is flawed. Some vegetarians' (and by this I mean the vegetarians that whine about moral interpitude and the like) standpoints on it are so biased and untrue as to whine and say "Well, we're not doing it intentionally, so that's ok." How can you know you're killing thousands of animals needlessly a day getting these and have it be unintentional? Retardation, in layman's terms. (Again, I refer to the vegetarians who tell me/and/or believe that they are making a greater moral judgment than omnivores even though simple facts of how many animals are killed in harvesting tell us this is not true.) So, I'm just pretty much saying that PETA and quite a few vegetarians (the ones that do it for moral reasons even though they clearly kill more) have created a bitter, awful hypocrisy as the source of their argument, if you can really call inaccuracy an "argument".

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The really retarded thing about some vegetarians' rants is that meat kills too many animals, while most vegetarians don't know, or fail to acknowledge the fact that more animals are killed a year making vegetarian foods and wheat than there are per year killed for meat. So, the whole concept is flawed. Some vegetarians' (and by this I mean the vegetarians that whine about moral interpitude and the like) standpoints on it are so biased and untrue as to whine and say "Well, we're not doing it intentionally, so that's ok." How can you know you're killing thousands of animals needlessly a day getting these and have it be unintentional? Retardation, in layman's terms. (Again, I refer to the vegetarians who tell me/and/or believe that they are making a greater moral judgment than omnivores even though simple facts of how many animals are killed in harvesting tell us this is not true.) So, I'm just pretty much saying that PETA and quite a few vegetarians (the ones that do it for moral reasons even though they clearly kill more) have created a bitter, awful hypocrisy as the source of their argument, if you can really call inaccuracy an "argument".

I'd really like to know where you're getting that. I would love to believe it, but I just don't think it's true.

What is probably more true, however, is that more animals die everyday of natural causes than die for food. In other words, meat-eating humans are not the leading cause of death for animals (nor are we blood-thirsty monsters).
Oh well, as long as ad hominem attacks are the best these nutjobs have to offer, we're ok.

To vegans/vegetarians: I realize that, for a majority of you, nutcases like PETA and terrorists like the Animal Liberation Front do not represent you anymore than Pat Robertson represents all Christians. Why can't the sane, rational ones among you speak louder? :)

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I think he's talking about all the animals that die when the farming machinery slices through the wheat (& other) fields during the harvests. I heard this argument once before, then saw another thing saying that the number of animals that die in harvests is being way exaggerated by the people using that argument. I might try to look it up sometime and link it :p

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I'm a meat eater. I loves my meat. I'm a pacifist, and I won't kill it myself, but if the deed's been done, it's time to eat, says me. I know many people claim religious views as to why they don't eat meat, but the Bible does not condemn meat eaters. Romans, Chapter 14, says:

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Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

...He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord...

...As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.

So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.


In short, whether or not meat is acceptable based on religious views depends on whether or not you believe it to be acceptable. If you believe meat is clean, it is clean, but if you believe it unclean, then, for you, it is unclean. God is more interested in your faith than in what you eat, so you should eat according to your faith. Though, if a friend considers meat unclean, then, in that friend's presence, you should not eat meat, because you might cause him to fall from his own faith. (It also says the same about alcohol in there!)

Sorry for the long-winded Bible stuff. I guess I'm saying to each his own. There are really no grounds by which you can condemn someone for what they eat. Unless they're cannibals.

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I think he's talking about all the animals that die when the farming machinery slices through the wheat (& other) fields during the harvests. I heard this argument once before, then saw another thing saying that the number of animals that die in harvests is being way exaggerated by the people using that argument. I might try to look it up sometime and link it :p


Or maybe he's talking about all the animals that starve to death when those huge fields of grain are harvested for humans, leaving the animals with nothing. Or maybe it's a reference to all the insects and other creepy-crawlies that are killed via the pesticides distributed over crops. But I see a trend that most proclaimed "animal lovers" care a whole lot more for other mammals and any other creature they find cute and cuddly as opposed to ALL living things. How many times do you hear someone moaning about the life of an innocent kitten as opposed to the life of an innocent cockroach?

I have a great respect and love for all life on this planet, but it's because I respect life that I understand the nature of carnivorous and omnivorous diets that so many species instincively adhere to and require for living. I understand that great cycle of predator and prey that is sometimes referred to as the Circle of Life, because without it, too many species would just run rampant and free with very little to keep overpopulation in check.

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Yeah. I saw we form the Praying Mantis War Front!

I'm suddenly reminded of Hermione and SPEW from Harry Potter. It's a similar sort of idea, isn't it? Sometimes good intentions can have bad ends...

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Sorry for the long-winded Bible stuff. I guess I'm saying to each his own. There are really no grounds by which you can condemn someone for what they eat. Unless they're cannibals.

I hope that was directed more at the PETA-types of the world than at the meat eaters. I don't know of many meat-eating people that condemn vegan/vegetarians as immoral murderers (except for my occasional, drunken "vegetarians are trying to destroy the planet" routine).

Dozer, I like the way you put the thing about killing/eating. That made me laugh for some reason. :P

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I hope that was directed more at the PETA-types of the world than at the meat eaters. I don't know of many meat-eating people that condemn vegan/vegetarians as immoral murderers (except for my occasional, drunken "vegetarians are trying to destroy the planet" routine).


Don't worry, it was. I don't know many meat-eaters who condemn those other types, either. :p

The Bible, ala that verse earlier, wrote:
...and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does...


See? :mrgreen:

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half of the babies will be a bull. no good for milk. so, what else can we get from them?


Ever heard of Red Bull? :mrgreen:


OK, can't believe I didn't notice this earlier, but this sort of bugs me--that's an urban legend, and it bothers me when people propigate them.

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I love meat, it tastes great.
I don't eat it because I like eating animals, or because I'm sadistic. I eat it because I love food and eating food and tasting food.
I also agree with all those people who say eating meat is a natural thing, not just for the sake of eating meat. Meat is a great source of protein amoung other nutrients.

Let me tell you something: When humans first walked the earth, they hunted for animals for food. In the middle ages, people ate meat. Today, we are more advanced and smarter, and people have stopped eating meat. Why?

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half of the babies will be a bull. no good for milk. so, what else can we get from them?


Ever heard of Red Bull? :mrgreen:


OK, can't believe I didn't notice this earlier, but this sort of bugs me--that's an urban legend, and it bothers me when people propigate them.


But....But.... I was just joking. Didn't you see the ' :mrgreen: ' at the end?

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I eat pretty much anything.

Also, just because someone's a vegetarian doesn't mean he/she is automatically some sort of a hippy or environmental activist. Nor does it mean they automatically dispise people who eat meat.

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I don't know.

On one hand, I think that killing animals to eat is cruel.

On the other, as animals ourselves, I don't see why we can't be cruel to survive.

So I've taken the route of eating only animals which I particularly dislike.

This list is basically chickens and turkeys. Every other animal is cool with me.

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I've been thinking of going vegan. My parents probably wouldn't allow it, so I think I'll wait until I'm 18.

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