half of the babies will be a bull. no good for milk. so, what else can we get from them?

Lobsters aren't very nice, though. If we were stuck laying down on the beach and they were hungry, I'm pretty sure the would chow down.

Sorry to be nitpicky, but it's "immoral," not "unmoral."

I'm an herbivore. Have been for 9 years, and it kinda makes me sad to see how much some people hate vegetarians. I mean...it's not like we're doing anything wrong by not eating animals. I know some veggies are really idiotic about it, but it doesn't mean you have to badmouth the rest of us - I mean, you have to admit...it is for a kind of good cause, right?

But you're right, there are some people who hate all vegetarians, some of them at this forum, and you're right, it just just another stereotype. Kinda sucks, but then again, nowadays everythign has a bad stereotype. At least you're not alone

It only takes one crazy person trying to free farm animals to give all the vegetarians a bad name. It's the same way with PETA, many members are not spray-painting fur coats, but the media would rather focus on the crazies then the normals.

The really retarded thing about some vegetarians' rants is that meat kills too many animals, while most vegetarians don't know, or fail to acknowledge the fact that more animals are killed a year making vegetarian foods and wheat than there are per year killed for meat. So, the whole concept is flawed. Some vegetarians' (and by this I mean the vegetarians that whine about moral interpitude and the like) standpoints on it are so biased and untrue as to whine and say "Well, we're not doing it intentionally, so that's ok." How can you know you're killing thousands of animals needlessly a day getting these and have it be unintentional? Retardation, in layman's terms. (Again, I refer to the vegetarians who tell me/and/or believe that they are making a greater moral judgment than omnivores even though simple facts of how many animals are killed in harvesting tell us this is not true.) So, I'm just pretty much saying that PETA and quite a few vegetarians (the ones that do it for moral reasons even though they clearly kill more) have created a bitter, awful hypocrisy as the source of their argument, if you can really call inaccuracy an "argument".

Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

...He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord...

...As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.

So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

I think he's talking about all the animals that die when the farming machinery slices through the wheat (& other) fields during the harvests. I heard this argument once before, then saw another thing saying that the number of animals that die in harvests is being way exaggerated by the people using that argument. I might try to look it up sometime and link it

Sorry for the long-winded Bible stuff. I guess I'm saying to each his own. There are really no grounds by which you can condemn someone for what they eat. Unless they're cannibals.

I hope that was directed more at the PETA-types of the world than at the meat eaters. I don't know of many meat-eating people that condemn vegan/vegetarians as immoral murderers (except for my occasional, drunken "vegetarians are trying to destroy the planet" routine).

...and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does...

Ever heard of Red Bull?

OK, can't believe I didn't notice this earlier, but this sort of bugs me--that's an urban legend, and it bothers me when people propigate them.