Trying to be shorter! Heck, you're taller than me!
notstrongorbad wrote:
...I read the ENTIRE thread.
Wow. Most of the bulk is probably my fault, and I wouldn't have even read it all
notstrongorbad wrote:
At various points in the history of this thread, ..., and both sides resorted to name-calling ...
Some of that was just people poking their heads in to add their two bits, not dedicated proponents. But your observation about the motivation rings true to my own way of arguing when I was that age: I'd state my point, and if someone disagreed I'd say it louder. After losing a few friends, making some friends, and being proved wrong by them enough to realize my own fallibility, I've grown to see the value of a word well seasoned. But to even the most belligerent ones, I have a special connection -- that of identifying with them.
notstrongorbad wrote:
However, [Christians] lose their excuse because of Jesus' teaching ....
It's one of the hardest teachings he's given us.
notstrongorbad wrote:
...I'm a Martian anthropologist...
Caught you!
notstrongorbad wrote:
I don't see them [biology and theology] as mutually exclusive.
The more I study biology and medicine, the more I believe in an intellegent designer. Physics and astronomy, psychology and anthopology, math and philosophy too!
notstrongorbad wrote:
I mean, protozoa don't know about ants, ... the fault is not in their scientific methods, ... The fault is in the capacity of their perception.
I think it's brilliant that we can know anything at all. I forget if it was this thread or another in which I mentioned Lewis' book
Miracles in which he traced the ability to know down to its roots and declared it supernatural. If you know anything, and you know it's true, you're admitting something beyond nature; because nature itself (cause and effect at the molecular level) can not cause your brain to (molecularly) know anything that is true and the knowledge that it is true. That doesn't immediately prove God or Christ, it merely says that if you know there's nothing supernatural, and you know that this knowledge is true, you're claiming supernatural power to know that fact!
notstrongorbad wrote:
...the buoyancy of the boat, the molecular cohesion of the water, and so on, to [God's] equally direct involvement.
A concept of "divine providence," also addressed thoroughly in
Miracles, and assumed in good theology!
notstrongorbad wrote:
a whole ‘nuther kettle of fish
My keyboard doesn't have that character! Just ` and ' on this one.
notstrongorbad wrote:
...God can use regions of the brain, physiological abnormalities, or even knocks on the head for that matter, for his purpose.
Romans 8:28 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."
One last reaction (remember, I'm trying to have a short post!): Even the most rediculous miracles obey the rules of the universe! The fish Christ multiplied for the 5000 were affected normally by gravity, chemically reacted normally in attenders' intestines, and reflected light as normal. If miracles did not interact perfectly with the rules of the universe, people couldn't have even touched the fish (pauli exclusion principle applied), seen the fish (physics of light), digested the fish (organic chemistry), or so forth. Basically, the universe appears ready at any time to accept a miracle completely into its system without blinking out! Miracles themselves do not contradict science. To see an "exclusive either-or" rather than a "both and" is not Christianity nor science! (idea plagiarized from the aforementioned C.S. Lewis tome).