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 Post subject: Re: The Homosexual Thread AKA The Gay Agenda
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:48 pm 
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TFE: I edited my post while you were replying. Check out the words I added after "Prove it"... unfortunately, the link you provided seems to fall into "doesn't have a clue" territory. You cannot simply take a translation, read every word literally, and take it upon blind faith that it accurately represents what was originally written, let alone that what was originally written accurately represents God's point of view. Since the link quotes Bible passages that were translated into English, and with no annotations at all, I don't think they are terribly useful except as a starting point.

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TFE: I edited my post while you were replying. Check out the words I added after "Prove it"... unfortunately, the link you provided seems to fall into "doesn't have a clue" territory. You cannot simply take a translation, read every word literally, and take it upon blind faith that it accurately represents what was originally written, let alone that what was originally written accurately represents God's point of view.

Christianity's standpoint is that the Bible is the Word of God, and God's divinity is in there, even in the translations from the original tongue.

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 Post subject: Re: The Homosexual Thread AKA The Gay Agenda
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But that's silly. I could make a "translation" of the Bible, randomly altering words as I saw fit. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the banana." Would that still reflect God's divinity?

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But that's silly. I could make a "translation" of the Bible, randomly altering words as I saw fit. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the banana." Would that still reflect God's divinity?

It'd have to go through the Official Acceptance. - If the Church let that translation go through, then obviously they've got a screw loose. (But since they probably wouldn't, that point isn't really valid.)

http://www.holy-trinity.org/liturgics/nrsv.html - For the curious, here's an interesting article on the finer points of the English translations. (Homosexuality is not a part of the critique)

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 Post subject: Re: The Homosexual Thread AKA The Gay Agenda
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No such thing as a gay gene, dude.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles ... 000003.xml

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But that's silly. I could make a "translation" of the Bible, randomly altering words as I saw fit. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the banana." Would that still reflect God's divinity?

It'd have to go through the Official Acceptance. - If the Church let that translation go through, then obviously they've got a screw loose. (But since they probably wouldn't, that point isn't really valid.)

http://www.holy-trinity.org/liturgics/nrsv.html - For the curious, here's an interesting article on the finer points of the English translations. (Homosexuality is not a part of the critique)

On the note of translations, I used to think people like Didymus were being snobby when they said you have to read the greek or hebrew versions to get the real meaning, but the more versions of the Bible I acquire, the more I can see that, in fact, they are right. I have several versions that change the meaning of entire chapters with their differences.

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 Post subject: Re: The Homosexual Thread AKA The Gay Agenda
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On the note of translations, I used to think people like Didymus were being snobby when they said you have to read the greek or hebrew versions to get the real meaning, but the more versions of the Bible I acquire, the more I can see that, in fact, they are right. I have several versions that change the meaning of entire chapters with their differences.

Yup.
But overall, will those translations get dug into? i.e. Will they try it all over again? Will that mean anything for homosexuals? ... Probably not, but time will tell.

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 Post subject: Re: The Homosexual Thread AKA The Gay Agenda
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That we, humans, are the superior race of this planet versus nature which exibits homosexuality?

Nature? I don't know, I haven't seen many gay animals lately.
Maybe you could elaborate.

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No such thing as a gay gene, dude.

To everyone who opposed this statement: Ok, maybe there is a genetic predisposition some people have toward homosexuality, maybe there isn't. But in regards to Christianity this is a moot point.

Some people may have desires towards the same sex, while most people (traditionally at least) have desires toward the opposite sex. But the bible says that acting on any of these desires is wrong. Having sex with any person you are not married to is called adultery and is strictly forbidden in the bible.
So no matter what people's genes are telling them to think, it's how they act that counts.

So what about gay marriage, you may ask. Well, God also says that marriage is a sacred vow between a MAN and a
WOMAN. Also that a MAN should leave his parents and be united with his WIFE.

No, gay marriage isn't strictly forbidden, but it is implied that marriage should always be between a man and a woman. The ancient Jews probably never even thought two people of the same sex would try it.

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 Post subject: Re: The Homosexual Thread AKA The Gay Agenda
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Biscuithead wrote:
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That we, humans, are the superior race of this planet versus nature which exibits homosexuality?

Nature? I don't know, I haven't seen many gay animals lately.
Maybe you could elaborate.


Are you kidding me? There are entire books on the subject.
In fact, I have a tome that's like, 9000 pages of the mating habits of homosexual animals.
Were you TRULY not aware of the existence of homosexuality in nature?


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Some people may have desires towards the same sex, while most people (traditionally at least) have desires toward the opposite sex. But the bible says that acting on any of these desires is wrong. Having sex with any person you are not married to is called adultery


No. Adultery is not the act of sex out-of-wedlock.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adultery
voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse.

The marriage thing is moot anyway, considering homos can get married in different countries and TWO states now, so the argument that you can't have sex when you aren't married anyway wouldn't work for homos anymore because they CAN.

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Biscuithead wrote:
But the bible says that acting on any of these desires is wrong.


Which still has yet to be proven in this thread...

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I'm not saying that his interpretation is wrong, but to take such things and claim you're 100% right is, in my opinion, a bit... what's the word?...

Arrogant

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I thought of that word, but it didn't quite cover the concept I was looking for. Arrogance typically has a connotation of boastfulness, which isn't what I'm looking for. I was looking for a word that emphasized the aspect of misguided thinking.

Presumptuous! That's a good one.

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Hey New Yorkers! (courant.com news article)
Sum up: New York state will recognize gay marriages legally performed in other states and countries, according to a memo from the counsel to Gov. David Paterson, the governor's spokeswoman said Wednesday.

What do you think? Should the Legislature just give in and legalize everything? Or do you think this is just going to end up as something sticky?

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Being a native New Yorker I think we should do this. I'd like to see it happen. It would be a nice step forward.

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Beyond the Grave wrote:
Being a native New Yorker I think we should do this. I'd like to see it happen. It would be a nice step forward.

Every little bit counts, right? :)

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Being a native New Yorker I think we should do this. I'd like to see it happen. It would be a nice step forward.

You just wanna increase your marriage chances.

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^Ha.

I think it's a good step forward and edges us closer to practicing gay marriage here in NY.

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Heck yeah! Go New Yorkers, it's yo birthday. Go New Yorkers...

I hate your Yankees, but I love your city. :)

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I hate your Yankees, but I love your city. :)
Don't worry, we hate them, too.

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I don't like baseball at all. If I had to pick a team as my favorite it'd probably be...the Indians or something.

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In fact, I have a tome that's like, 9000 pages of the mating habits of homosexual animals.

Um, why?

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Parlod wrote:
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In fact, I have a tome that's like, 9000 pages of the mating habits of homosexual animals.

Um, why?

This surprises you?


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Parlod wrote:
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In fact, I have a tome that's like, 9000 pages of the mating habits of homosexual animals.

Um, why?

Because someone wrote it?

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This surprises you?

I'm not a furry, if that's what you're implying...

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Shall I explain why furry does not equal bestiality? In another thread, mayhaps?

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Shall I explain why furry does not equal bestiality? In another thread, mayhaps?

I don't think I need it, or would really pay attention anyway. Some of my best friends are furries, so you can't look at me to be crucified.(Not saying that you are, but...)

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IantheGecko wrote:
I meant for other people.

Oh. I don't think they pay attention either (give the rep that 'furry' has on the internet), but go for it. ;)

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PLEASE don't do that

I don't see any reason why he can't. *bat with broom*

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