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 Post subject: House approves overhaul of wiretap laws
PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:03 pm 
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/20/ ... index.html

Yay, wiretapping! PERTECTN US FROM DA TERSTS LOLS !

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Well. That's. Just. ... I feel safer already.

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 Post subject: Re: House approves overhaul of wiretap laws
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Also:

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One Republican voted against the measure
In before it turns out to be Ron Paul.

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PATRIOT ACT BAAAAAAWWW

I could care less about all this wiretapping stuff. I don't deal drugs, I'm not a murderer or a terrorist.

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The Noid wrote:
PATRIOT ACT BAAAAAAWWW

I could care less about all this wiretapping stuff. I don't deal drugs, I'm not a murderer or a terrorist.

Which is probably the view of the lot of the people voting on it, but at the same time then why should we have it in the first place? Seriously, what value does it provide that can't be taken out of context?

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Same here. I don't do anything sketch, I don't have anything to worry about.

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Capt. Ido Nos wrote:
Same here. I don't do anything sketch, I don't have anything to worry about.

You're a big liar. I know you're one of "them". ;)

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Which is probably the view of the lot of the people voting on it, but at the same time then why should we have it in the first place? Seriously, what value does it provide that can't be taken out of context?


To win all those non-literal warsm like the war on terrorism and drugs? They got some people using wiretapping, the...Lackawanna (sp) 6, I think? Maybe I'm wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: House approves overhaul of wiretap laws
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To win all those non-literal warsm like the war on terrorism and drugs? They got some people using wiretapping, the...Lackawanna (sp) 6, I think? Maybe I'm wrong.

I guess I don't mind it so much when it's used for covert operations, but sometimes I just think it does more harm then good. True masterminds speak in code anyway, and could just lead tappers to the wrong locations if they think they're being tapped. Seems like a waste of resources to have us chasing our tails.

And then there's the slippery slope of the thought that it then should be legal to do it in other situations, too.

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The "I don't have anything to worry about so ok take all my civil liberties away to protect me from witches mr. government" mentality is exactly what leads to Orwellian society.

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As long as I'm not dead and I can afford a potato I'm fine.

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Noid, if you tolerate these wiretaps the government will TAKE your potato.

What then?

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The "I don't have anything to worry about so ok take all my civil liberties away to protect me from witches mr. government" mentality is exactly what leads to Orwellian society.

All of our civil liberties? Cracka please; we're still a long way from Big Brother.


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The government will have to pry my potato from my cold, dead, unwashed hands if they want it.

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The Noid wrote:
The government will have to pry my potato from my cold, dead, unwashed hands if they want it.


No, they'll tell you they're taking the potato to preserve your safety, or maybe say that anyone with a potato is a terrorist suspect and rendition you to some secret torture prison.

THEY WILL STOP AT NOTHING FOR YOUR TUBER

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If my potato is going down, I'm taking everybody else down with me.

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The Noid wrote:
If my potato is going down, I'm taking everybody else down with me.

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You have officially won the internet for the week.

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IantheGecko wrote:
HHFOV wrote:
The "I don't have anything to worry about so ok take all my civil liberties away to protect me from witches mr. government" mentality is exactly what leads to Orwellian society.

All of our civil liberties? Cracka please; we're still a long way from Big Brother.
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

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 Post subject: Re: House approves overhaul of wiretap laws
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HHFOV wrote:
The "I don't have anything to worry about so ok take all my civil liberties away to protect me from witches mr. government" mentality is exactly what leads to Orwellian society.


oh noes the gov't is using fear-mongering to make us do what they want those jerks

oh noes this wiretapping will lead to us becoming a completely controlled nightmare society just like in 1984 oh noes oh noes


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oh noes the gov't is using fear-mongering to make us do what they want those jerks

Which is 100% true.

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Ninti wrote:
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I'll tell you the truth, Ninti. Everytime I read the subject line of this thread, I thought the exact same thing.

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 Post subject: Re: House approves overhaul of wiretap laws
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HHFOV wrote:
The "I don't have anything to worry about so ok take all my civil liberties away to protect me from witches mr. government" mentality is exactly what leads to Orwellian society.

Exactly what civil liberties are "they" taking from us? The right to talk about planting bombs and killing civilians?
Seriously, what do you lose?
This is NOT the government telling us we can't talk bad about them. This is not losing the first or second amendment, not anywhere close. We could be approaching "unlawful search and seizure", but I doubt it. You have to be pretty far over the line to be monitored (or a Straight, White, Christian Male, aged 18-35... The one time affirmative action actually pulls us into something).

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The Constitution guarantees your right to privacy, though. It's a necessary and important principle, at the most fundamental level.

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The Constitution guarantees your right to privacy, though.


It does?

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Amendments 4 and 5 of The United States Bill Of Rights protect the right to be free of unwarranted and unwanted government intrusion into one's personal and private affairs, papers, and possessions. Article 12 of The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights states, "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."

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That's for things like "unreasonable searches and seizures." I don't want the government spying on its people, but I don't think the Constitution specifically provides for a situation like this.

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Like this administration even cares about the Constitution.

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 Post subject: Re: House approves overhaul of wiretap laws
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That's for things like "unreasonable searches and seizures." I don't want the government spying on its people, but I don't think the Constitution specifically provides for a situation like this.
A situation like what?

We're not in a state of emergency like Faux News would like to have you believe.

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