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This has become a hot topic lately, with a new bill in the works, numerous arrests, and the whole Minute Man project gathering steam.

My personal opinion: they're entering the US illegally. They're criminals. They don't deserve any rights while they remain illegal. If they can't immigrate legally, tough. It's not our problem. The US is not a country of free handouts. It may be the land of oppertunity, but only for those who obey the law. You can't just waltz in illegally and expect to get a job. I seriously think we oughta build two massive walls to keep drug smugglers and illegal immigrants from entering the country anywhere other than secure gates. People keep complaining about outsourcing jobs to foreign countries when they ignore the internal problem of jobs being taken by illegal immigrants! People want drugs off the streets, then keep them from coming through our borders! America is for Americans! If you want to become an American, immigrate legally like our ancestors did! It's high time Americans defended their country, starting at the borders!

If I sound angry about this, then good, 'cause I am.

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I find that people should be allowed to enter our country without the consent of other countries. I know some illegal immigrants, bieng Cuban (I myself am legal) and I think that they are great people. The opressive governments of the places which they came from kept them from leaving legally, and when staying is not an option, what would you do?

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YES. This is the point I'm trying to get across with my friends. They think, "No! We need to let them all in!"

You'd think different if your own father was killed by one. My friend's dad had gone out to get her birthday cake. They came into the U.S. legally. While driving back, an illegal immigrant was speeding down the road and hit her dad, killing him. Yes. Her father died on her birthday. This whole event may have been avoided if they had just taken the time to come in legally.

It's like a slap in the face to people who HAVE followed the law and HAVE come in legally. Why should illegal immigrants have special privledges? Perhaps America has become TOO free?

Whatever the answer, I know it's not right. If they would like to come live with us, they have to come in legally. Illegal means against the law. Therefore, they are breaking the law. Maybe I'm just naive, but this just isn't fair to people who take the time to actually come in here legally.

you freakin racist! you cant just say "Hey, we dont want no Mexicans in our Country, were americans!" and build a freakin Great Wall to keep them out, you gotta remember that over half of the countries population is foreign, and every other person of Natural Birth as you would call it, is off living in other countries. you make me sick, i can understand about keeping the drug dealers out, but COME ON! your one of those guys who would talk to mexican working at a resturaunt and say "Hey, El'Worker, Get-O Me-O A elNew'O Fork'O", you make me sick, racist.

EDIT: Man, where the heck is Rosie? she'd side with me on this!

EDITED BY STRONGRAD: Watch the words, there buddy. Heck works just fine.

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Ummm... He's not racist. He has no problem with legal immigrants. You need to chill.

Watch the language..

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Cuba is one of those grey areas, I guess. I don't blame Cubans one bit for wanting to get here so badly that they build makeshift rafts and risk their lives. I don't think immigrants need the consent of other countries, especially Cubans, but you never can tell who's merely a refugee and who's smuggling high-grade cocaine (it's not always outwardly obvious, especially when considering the more disgusting methods of smuggling, and you can't really perform full cavity searches on every refugee). I seriously hope Castro kicks the bucket soon. Cuba (hopefully) will be better off for it.



Never once did I target a specific race. If they want to enter the country by legal means, I'm all for it. What I'm against is those who sneak in, be them Mexican, German, French, Dutch, Russian, or Australian, or from any nation for that matter. Refugees, I don't mind. If things suck and they won't let you leave, by all means, try and come here. But don't expect us to go easy on you simply because things were bad in your native land. Please read my post again, all the way through. I never have nor ever would say anything like that to a Mexican waiter at a restaurant. I can understand that misreading my post would result in that impression, but I assure you, I'm no racist.

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If you want to know about the real issue, talk to Arizonians or Texans living in the southern portion of the state, and see how illegal immigrants change local economies and communities.

However, there is no doubt that the national economy benefits from illegal, underpaid immigrants to do the dirty work. Albeit a gross generalization, there are a lot of illegal aliens working jobs that college-bound people and college graduates would not take. However, it really boils down to local areas.

I live in Chester County, Pennsylvania, where a lot of Latinos and Hispanics live. That is because Chester County has one of the highest standards of living in the continental US, and many Latinos come here for landscaping work and other house-keeping jobs. I want to say this is a racist generalization, but it really isn't. However, many Latinos find themselves gaining large sums of money by working hard, and prospering along with whites and southeast Asians in the area. This sort of thing is not a problem because they are progessing the economy and allowing for growth. I mean, when our ancestors came over, were they engineers or doctors? No, they worked low jobs and worked their way up.

The problem is not that. Illegal or legal, whatever, the Latinos and Hispanics in my area are not a burden on such things as hospitals, business, police, etc. However as stated earlier, immigrants in high-traffic areas, like western Cali, Texas, New Mexico, etc, are experiencing very bad changes in their economy. Hospitals are over-filled with sick immigrants, and because they are poor, they cannot pay the bills. Many houses are being robbed being of the same reasons; immigrants from Banana Republic countries making long trips through their own countries, then through Mexico, then finally the USA, have no options left.

So yes, the debate is an important one. But we certainly aren't going to accomplish anything by not allowing any immigrants in, or by allowing all of them in. The legal system should change to accomodate a greater influx of immigrants, as it did during the influx of European and southeast Asians during the late 1800's and early 1900's.

Throw in the 'terrorism' debate, and you've got yourself a whole new mess. I ain't gonna touch that right now.

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you knwo what? you guys ought to rent the movie "A Day Without a Mexican" and youd see the great,(and a hella lot of racism), Impact that the Absence of Mexican would cause.

Guess what Yale College Graduate, go clean up the vomit in Aisle 6.

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Here's an interesting article I found on the Center for Immigration Studies. I never figured that things were that bad. If there's a referendum on a law providing amnesty for illegal immigrants, my vote's gonna be 'no'. To reiterate my stance: LEGAL IMMIGRANTS: GOOD. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS: BAD. REFUGEES, ESPECIALLY FROM CUBA: ALSO GOOD.

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That's what I tried to outline. There will always be a need for someone to do the "dirty jobs" and usually people new to America take them up. As per racism; I know a lot of people that are racist/ethnocentric. You can't listen to those idiots, nor make remarks as critical or extreme as them. They feel threatened by what they don't know. Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Guatemalans, etc. are not the first (or last) people to go through this. For example, back in the early 1900s when immigration into America was at an all-time high, many immigrants were from Italy, Ireland, Greece, China, etc. When they got over here, they were immediately prejudiced. Yet through time they because a part of "everyday America," and are now the ones prejudiced against immigrants. Cycle of America's "Americans."

What I'm trying to say is that illegal immigration is a burden to those in previously stated affected high-traffic areas. While emigrating to America definitely helps those affected by poverty and low standards of living by giving them more career opportunities and better lifestyles, there can be no doubt that they are also having a negative effect on the local governments down south and to the southwest.

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Although it is a sad story, and I do see the point your making, I don't think that event could've been avoided if the person had come in legally. They'd be a terrible driver none the less.

You guys are making it seem like it's an easy process to come into the country easily. It's not! You have to go through a lot of red tape just to obtain entry to the US, much less obtain citizenship. Even after all that, it's very easy to be denied, because the process is essentially buying into a lottery. That's where the allure of illegal immigration comes from! People risk everything to run across that border and stay here illegally, and that's because it's actually easier than applying for citizenship.

I say that we just do away with borders altogether, allowing for free migrations of people.

It's a terrible tragedy that your friend's father was killed, but how does the illegal alien status lend itself for the other driver's blame? How would it have been avoided if the immigrant was legal? You can't assign blame against all illegal immigrants either. Most do take the time to carefully learn and follow laws so they can live here inconspicuously. Immigrants, legal and illegal have considerably less rights in the courtroom.

Mikes, you're right, it isn't easy to gain legal immigration, and I'm still not sure I think it should be.

A friend of mine was deported back in 2002. Well, actually, her whole family was. When they came here, her father paid some people to make sure the paperwork was done. Turns out, it never was. He was told to leave the country in 1995 (but he was also told by immigration that he could stay as long as he was fighting the deportation in court. He moved to Kentucky and continued working on fighting the deportation. He kept in contact with INS (because he was fighting the deportation). His appeals failed, but nobody bothered to tell him. That all changed shortly after a certain Tuesday morning in September of 2001. The FBI came knocking, and he was jailed for something like 100 days before he was deported.
The whole time this was going on, Myleen finished her degree in Computer Science and her sister was starting college. She, and her sisters, were totally unaware of their dad's (and their) citizenship being in limbo.
I know that the law is the law, but the Manalastas family were here for a better life and they were working their butts off to get one. The were deported as terrorists for doing so. Personally, I feel the crooked lawyers that screwed them over in the first place should be deported as well.

I love America. Show up, work hard, get sent back. Show up, become a burden on the system, and you're allowed to stay.

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I agree with you, sb_email. There's not even a question! We have the immagration process for a reason, yet we're letting people bypass that, and we're rewarding them for doing so! And people say "But we can't jsut kiuck people out of their homes! They live here". No, they don't live herfe. They broke in. It's time soemthing is done about it.

I'm pretty sure she would.

But you know, when you're desperately looking for support from someone like Ms. Rose, that indicates you might be on somewhat unstable ground here.

Just a hint.




Bingo. I don't know why it's so hard for people to differentiate... legal immigrants are fine. When we say "border control" we are not saying "no one can ever again come into our country".

The sad thing is, no politician will ever do anything about the border problem because no one wants to lose the hispanic vote.

Good ol' politics.

This is entirely true. My boyfriend lives in England, and he and I (with the help of some very diligent friends) have been working our butts off to get him immigrated here to America. The red tape and bureaucratic paperwork is darn near impossible to penetrate. And because the Fianceé's Petition for Immigration does not recognize same-sex marriages (Yay for equality, America.</sarcasm>), we've had to look at other routes that include one of our friends hiring my boyfriend as an employee here in America.

To put it in all in perspective, the paperwork for all this was submitted around January of 2005, and we received work last week that it should be reviewed soon. Soon. Over a year, and there's still a bit of backlog and waiting left. Of course, there's still many more steps to complete before Lee (my boyfriend) can even be told "Yes" for immigrating to America. An ad in the local paper where my friend, the potential employer, lives; more paperwork; more waiting...you get the idea. All because America is too scared of things it doesn't understand (i.e. "terrorist" immigrants and homosexual marriages, in this instance), and too freakin' lazy to learn and figure out that they really have no need to be frightened.

So, to toastpaint this, while I don't necessarily approve of illegal immigration, I know first-hand (more or less) how difficult the process of legal immigration is here in the wonderful Land of Opportunity.

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The argument that legal immigration is hard isn't decent support for illegal immigration. That's a dangerous thought.

Making a lot of money is hard. Thus, I should rob a bank.


See what I mean?


Besides, do you people have any idea how much of a problem with overcrowding we'd have if borders were disestablished? Hardly anyone wants to live in Mexico. It's heavily polluted and the government isn't quite up to par. Everyone'd come up here.

neither is our air or our government, the only thing that you would see change is that there are more people homeless on the streets.

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You're not one of those people who want to move to Canada, are you?

Do you like living in the United States?

to me, canada sucks just as bad as every other place in the north american continent.

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Thanks.

Where do you want to live?

the valleys of germany.... either that or australia

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Germany isn't a bad place. They make efficient use of all urban space, resulting in orderly cities. A good bit of the population speaks English as a second language, and the food is pretty good. However, 5 years straight of living there was quite enough for me.

As for removal of borders: no way, Jorge. A country without borders is not a country.

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I agree that illegal immigration is a problem. I agree with your first post almost all the way through. If you can't get in legally, then try to make it in your own country. Then, when you finally can get in legally, do it. Don't resort to sneaking in. Believe it or not, there ARE opportunities in other countries.

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I think that the law should be laxed for immigration. The system should be easy enough that anyone wanting to come over wouldn't have to do it Illegally. The system should have a criminal back ground check for terrorists and such, but it really shouldn't be that hard to get in. Nearly everyone in this country is a descendent of at least one immigrant. But giving free health care and drving licences is too much, because it side steps the law making it worthless.

I agree that some illegal immigrants should be kept out, but with all of them, its like, "All those immigrants fleeing from the Holocaust should at least have some ID! If they don't, not my problem! Ship 'em back over to Germany to die!"

I really do feel bad for you and your friend, but how would the event have been prevented had he come in legally? He still could have been speeding across the road.

I'm not saying I sympathize with the killer, but his legality dosn't come in to the matter, he hit your friend's dad and happened to be an illegal immigrant.

Just because it's law, dosn't make it right. All people have a right to all the land on this earth. You can't really own a piece of land. It's there, and you're using it. If the government of one country is opressive, does that mean it's ok to let the people there suffer without any means of escape? Is it right to reserve salvation for those who win the lotto, or fill out mounds of paperwork?

I personally don't think so...

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Sister, now that we're grieving
Our fingers will falter
Our lungs will be leaking
All over each other and without even speaking
We'll know that it's over and smile and go greeting
Whatever comes next

a lot has been said here and my question is to everybody, especially those who are vehemently against illegal immigration, does that make it okay for people who live near the border (particularly i have hear about Texas, but i know they aren't the only ones) to shoot and kill people as they swim or hike through the desert or whatnot?

also to make my stance, we are all very luck people, being americans and such. that being said, most of us also acknowledge that we wwould not mop floors for 3.50 an hour. or less. if we were working long days to earn even less money than that (try pennies a day) we would probably run away from America. im not going to say it is completely okay for people to illegally come here, but lets all try to at least acknowledge their plight and desperation in coming here.

when was the last time you were living on nearly no food, working your bum off and decided to take a trip across a desert that you were pretty sure might kill you? and even when you get there you're in the pocket of whoever fronted the cash to sneak you in for decades. never happened to me and we are all quite lucky.

The people that are protesting this have no idea how retarded they look. Why can't they just go across the border the right way? Maybe it's money, but if they can't afford to come over here, then they shouldn't be here in the first place. They couldn't afford a place to live when they got over here.

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and you have no idea how intolerant you sound. hmm is it the defamation of mentally handicapped people or is it your incredibly poor grasp on the reality of the issue? did you even bother to read any of the other posts?

and the last part simply isn't true, kid, because if it were, nobody would do it and every single illegal immigrant would be easily identified by their lack of housing. newsflash: they don't come to hang out, they come looking for work.

im not supporting it outright im just saying try to be human about it.